When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, and saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to it at all. The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut and voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is gold thread (looks distinctly metallic). --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > I saw this painting in the National Portrait Gallery London several years > ago and the main dress is reddish orange and the forepart and lower > sleeves are gold velvet cutwork. > > > I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. > > The bodice is pointed and the skirt is attached. The skirt is flat in > front and has cartridge or knife pleats starting at the sides. It would > have a full back skirt and probably a train. > > >What do you call these > > kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the > > sleeves? > > I don't think the sleeves have a particular name other than maybe "tudor > sleeves". The over sleeve (reddish orange) is a very large bell shape > which was probably a revival of the medieval bell sleeves. They are then > folded back and pinned on the upper arm. > > The lower sleeves (gold cutwork) are debated as to how they are made. My > research found that they are a separate sleeve accent that probably ties > to a ribbon on the inside of the bell sleeve. It can be a round-ish > stuffed ball or a finished fancy fabric that folds over the arm and ties > on the bottom. > > There is a different tudor portait that shows that there is a corner > showing near the elbow. So it would seem that the sleeves do not extend > all the way to the top of the arm. > > I can send you a picture of my lower sleeves and whole tudor outfit if you > want to e-mail me privately. > > Hope that helps! > > Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
