Hi Natalie-- You can make the gown without an underbodice and kirtle over a corset. How many people at the Faire will notice? You are the one dealing with the heat!
About The Eleonora dress: The red velvet pair of bodies was lines with (believe it or not) paper. It had no bones. You could probably substitute a hair canvas or a type of buckram that does not react to heat/ sweat. It was not made for the gown she was buried in-- it was too big and had a different waistline. Now here is the story behind this. Eleonora died in December of 1562 and was NOT embalmed. Getting from Pisa, where she died, to Florence, where she was buried, took days since she was being moved in a "train" with wagons and horses, etc. I am sure that there was not a lot of ice around in those days ("Poor Judd is dead" the song from "Oklahoma" tells of the down side of being kept unburied without ice...) At any rate, by the time she got home, people were probably moving at warp 9 to get her dressed in something appropriate. Cosimo her husband was very distraught, (he had just lost 2 sons and a daughter within a very short time before Eleonora died, so "crazy with grief" was probably a good way to describe it), but he wanted his wife to be properly dressed-- jewels included-- for her appointment with her Maker. If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about the velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from TB on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. In the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended for the modern woman). The velvet bodice MIGHT have been something she wore as a substitute when breathing became difficult (my hypothesis). In the severe stages of TB there is terrible weight loss. If you look at some of the pics by Bronzino you can see how she gained weight over the course of her many (11) pregnancies, and then lost a lot of weight at the end. She was one sick lady. And putting the malaria on top of it, well, it is no surprise that the stuff in her wardrobe did not fit. The velvet bodice was probably more of a grave wrapping to keep her upper body set while the people were trying to get her gown laced. If you notice the gown is not laced through every hole-- they were working fast probably. And who would think that 500 years later what she wore in her grave would be the subject of such intense scrutiny? (The grave robbers who took her jewels flipped the body over, so that is why the back of the dress and velvet bodice are in such good shape. The body decays from the top down-- gravity and all that!) Eleonora's dress was probably lined in linen. Since linen is a natural fiber, it decomposes in the grave. It also protected the satin of the dress from the same fate, but if the body had been left to decompose long enough everything probably would have gone. The latest book on Eleonora, "Moda di Firenze" http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?ab~searchitemno~0~45409 gives a lot of details on the EoT gown and the restoration of both pieces. The skirt was cut so it would be worn without a forepart. Janet Arnold did the preliminary work on the gown, but died prior to this new book being released. Her theory was the gown probably had an embroidered smock and no sleeves. She also theorized that Eleonora probably wore a farthingale, because she was Spanish. The waistline of her gown was more rounded than the Elizabethan style of 1575, and had a different silhouette then the Eleonora gown from the Bronzino painting, which was 30 years earlier. Good luck with the gown! Best Regards- Monica -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Hello everyone, I am looking for some guidance on the Eleanor of Toledo gown. I have read over Janet Arnold's write up of this dress and the book describes not one, but two bodices based on remnants of the actual dress. The first bodice was of velvet, and fastens at the front with hooks and eyes, and lined with linen, but no matching skirt was found, although there are stitch-holes in the waist. The second bodice is of satin, with two seams at the back. It may have been lined, but the evidence is not clear, per Arnold. The book theorizes that the velvet bodice may have been a corset with bents, or a "pair of bodies," set into the linen lining, to support an underskirt of velvet. So that's the back story. Based on that gown and the Elizabeth 1575 gown, I have designed the following: http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg My question is, if I wear a standard corset and farthingale, is there really any need for the heavy under-bodice/skirt combo (kirtle?)? I am not sure yet what I will make the overdress of, but it will probably be interlined brocade, with something lighter for the underskirt and an interchangeable forepart. I live in Michigan, and the faires here are held in the late heat of summer, so I don't want to make it too heavy! Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume