Okay - now that I can read the text, I understand what Robin was saying - the figures 257 and 258 are not from the Deposition/Lamentation by Gerard David....so now to hunt down the reference MS No D IX... Thanks for the links to the Lamentation!Sg
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:47:43 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve construction: Was Detroit Inst Art - > Problems & Where was this from again.> > Exstock wrote:> > ----- Original > Message ----- > > From: "Saragrace Knauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > <snip>> >> > Now I gotta get my hands on a good copy of the "Deposition .."> >> by Gerard > David.....Curious about the no waist seam...> > > > Which version? There's a > nice zoomable hi-res version of the 1484 > > Deposition (renamed Lamentation > to avoid confusion, apparently, but called > > Deposition in many books) > online at:> > http://snipurl.com/266hs [www_nationalgallery_org_uk]> > That's > the one! I didn't find it in my own image search (because I was looking > > under both Deposition and Descent From the Cross, but not Lamentation), > though > I actually spent a lot more time going through a dozen or so books > on Flemish > 15th c. painting (including two National Gallery catalogs!) an! d found only one > poor image -- and I looked at every David I had in case it was retitled in those.> > (E., where did you get 1484? The website says 1515-23.)> > Those high-res museum scans are great. Zooming in on the woman in light blue > at the lower left, you can see the "corner" at the armhole very well. If you > look close you'll also see a side seam on the body under the arm. I think -- > am not sure -- that there may be diagonal lacings on that.> > I suspect there's a waist seam hidden in that fold at the waist, despite > Houston saying there's none. The side seam does not continue down the skirt, > and if the dress were cut in one, it would. At 1515 (or even 1484), waist > seams would be quite likely anyway, though not exclusively the case. The lady > in red in the back right does not have a waist seam, but also may be > deliberately done in "old" style, given the subject matter. Magdalen (in > green) is too dark for me to make out any seams below the shoulder.> >! No clue how the sleeve itself is shaped but I truly doubt Hou! ston's diagram; > it wouldn't want to bend in three dimensions and still leave room for an arm. > Where to put the curves is another matter. I would probably start with some > flexible wool and shape it over a suitable body to find out. Not high on my > priority list at the moment, though.> > --Robin> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> [email protected]> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
