At 10:33 10/01/2009, you wrote:
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:08:06 -0800 (PST)


I just happened to borrow Strong's English Icon, so I thumbed through it
looking for black ruffs.  There aren't any all-black ruffs, but there are a
few edged in black and a few more that are heavily embroidered with
blackwork.  I could only find three online:

http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/ThomasHoward1.jpg
http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/FrancisSidney.jpg
http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/blackmary.jpg

If you'd like more pictures, email me privately and I'll see if I can get
them scanned.

Margaret Roe

Any call on what the thingy on the floor by the feet of Francis Sidney is?
It almost looks like a shield, except it is covered in the same fabric as
her gown and kirtle,
And lined with fur.

Claire


Surely it's the back of the skirt, draped around the front, as it is pushed up against the chair, and the dais on which it sits. I repeat here again Janet Arnold thought this was a portrait of Elizabeth l because of the chair of state behind her.

Suzi

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