thanks very much for the additional information, Teena. I'm obviously no expert in Italian Renn; I am just a fan, 8-). I didn't realize that the first pattern was for the undergown of the more well-known (to amateurs, apparently) giornea ensemble. I MIGHT have picked that up if the pattern company drawings were not quite so simplified, or if I'd read the accompanying text more closely.
You're right, my husband was right, I'm a dunce, 8-), and, unfortunately, all too often a loud-mouthed one also! cheers, chimene On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:29 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: > I have to strongly disagree with you, Patricia, about the gowns not looking > like Italian ren. If you look at portraits by Ghirlandaio you will see that > the gowns (especially the one on the right) are exactly the same. The fabrics > are different and the richer ones are obviously a nicer fabric, but same cut. > A lot of them are covered by giorneas but you can still make out the gowns > underneath. > http://www.sai.msu.su/cjackson/ghirlandaio/p-ghirlandaio2.htm > > http://www.artcyclopedia.org/art/domenico-ghirlandaio-woman.jpg > > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j7xkQHEYUok/S-e24nMhLOI/AAAAAAAADAA/1DsiBpSFoW4/s1600/ghirlandaio_tornabuoni.jpg > > http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_72Z080GKe8A/TQqjHBSg0mI/AAAAAAAAAWY/g4Js0-tpwlg/s640/ghirlandaio_1490_port_lady_red_bodice.jpg > > http://www.topofart.com/images/artists/Domenico_Ghirlandaio/paintings/ghirlandaio005.jpg > > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_72Z080GKe8A/TQqjLw4JHxI/AAAAAAAAAWg/DPT5w-h7vLk/s1600/Ghirlandaio-Girl.jpg > > http://www.artbible.net/3JC/-Luk-01,39_Mary%20visits%20Elizabeth_La%20visitation/15%20GHIRLANDAIO%20DOMENICO%20JB%2002%20VISITATION.jpg > > > Teena > > > > ________________________________ > From: Patricia Dunham <chim...@ravensgard.org> > To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance dance costumes > > Hi Aylwen, > > Is there some reason you preferred the first pattern? As someone said, it > doesn't look much like -my- idea of Italian Renn. looks almost German to me, > but my DH says it just looks real middle class (on the right) and lower class > (the serving woman on the left). The overgown and sectional sleeve elements > are what look "upper class" to most folks, I think. > > scale will be important in the stage decor parts... things DO need to be > larger scale to register, but not so much bigger that they look chees-y. > > on the problem of short doublets & tights... 1) proper short-short doublets > would probably NOT be fast or easy to make. 2) take a look at the guy on the > left here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Botticelli_magi_detail.jpg that > red tabard-y/houpeland-y thing would be MUCH easier to do, the blue-gray > sleeves would be much easier to do and tie on to some kind of simple base > under the red, and, IMPORTANT, look how "long" the red thing is! covers > delicate bits!!! 3) take a look at florentine-persona.com, some good pics of > the giornea (tabard-y thing) in period sources, and even longer than the red > Botticelli; AND on the "closet" page, made up on a real person's body! > > and that's just what I found in a half-hour of thrashing around teh google. > > good luck! > chimene > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden wrote: > >> Dear H-cost list >> >> I have to make 20 costumes for an upcoming Italian renaissance performance >> and have been thinking about using >> http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/products/rh509-1470s-1500-florentine-womans-outfit-1#. >> Can you think of different ways we can decorate these gowns so they >> don't >> all look the same? Plus they need to look grand because we will be on stage >> under lights. >> >> I am still working out what to dress the men in, and fear they will not >> want to wear short doublets and tights :(( >> >> *Aylwen* >> * >> * >> *Aylwen's Historical Costumes* >> www.aylwen.com >> http://aylwen.blogspot.com >> * >> * >> *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy* >> www.earthlydelights.com.au >> http://edhda.eventbrite.com >> >> >> * >> * >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
