The strongest possible -1

I just saw that discussion on IRC, which I thought was a total waste
of time. Closing this list and operating exclusively on IRC will make
it much more difficult to contribute or to keep up with what's
happening.

Reading IRC logs to find out what people have been talking about
simply isn't feasible for most people (me included). Just to read
todays logs and find out what people have been talking about would
take most of tomorrow. IRC is a conversational medium and it's not
arranged into topical groupings. These things mean it's impossible to
do what we do here on -dev using IRC.

There are plenty of worthwhile discussions on this list.

That doesn't mean to say this list couldn't be better than it is. I
think, for example, it's difficult to identify when a decision has
been made. If I propose to implement something, how many +1's does it
take before I should start doing it with a reasonable chance of not
wasting my time. How many -1s (against all the +1s) does it take
before the idea should be dropped - or completely rethought. Are there
anyone's -1s that are more important. Maybe you'd say there aren't,
but in reality there probably are. Also, when someone has decided to
implement something - that needs to be made clear - and quite shortly
afterward there should be some evidence that something is being
implemented. Without making it clear who's working on what it's hard
for people to lob suggestions or offers of help in the right
direction.

Working groups are an idea which seem not to have flourished (maybe
I'm not looking in the right place) - but they should have.

Simon

On Nov 3, 3:08 pm, Owen Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This mailing list is a quagmire of wasted ideas that are forgotten or
> are shot down before implementing anything.  Most of the productive
> discussion takes place on IRC anyway.  This list hasn't been parent to
> anything useful in the past month, at least, only bikeshed discussions.
>
> +1 to dismantle this list and set up exclusively official IRC logs.
>
> Owen
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