On 23 Apr 2009, at 13:39, Owen Winkler wrote:

> Geoffrey Sneddon wrote:
>>
>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 01:12, Owen Winkler wrote:
>>
>>> Modeling our own project on the ASF wouldn't have made sense if we  
>>> did
>>> not agree with how it operates.  Yet in the areas of infrastructure,
>>> user-contributed repositories, branding, and community-building -
>>> things
>>> that are important to keeping our community open - the ASF either
>>> doesn't provide what I think Habari needs or is more restrictive  
>>> than
>>> the code of behavior under which Habari has so far flourished.  That
>>> reason alone is enough for me to discount applying.
>>
>> A lot of the requirements that Apache places upon such things are
>> needed if you ever want to have any decent legal framework. There
>> needs to be clear transfer of copyright from the contributor to the
>> project, and that has to apply for the docs as well if we want free
>> documentation that can be safely distributed. It's hard to have a
>> fully open community while having a legal framework in place.
>
> My issue in that regard has to do with discounting user contributions
> because those users have not agreed in writing to publish their code
> under the project's license.  I encourage the use of those legal
> requirements, but I think segmenting the community between "PMC stuff
> where the PMC agreed to these terms" and "non-PMC stuff we don't  
> seem to
> care about" is the wrong way to handle it, rather than enforcing those
> restrictions for all users across all Habari resources.

There's nothing stopping them from contributing provided they have  
signed a CLA. We are never going to get the legal protection that  
requires this unless we do this, which sucks (actually, you can in a  
few countries, like Scotland, which have legally binding verbal  
contracts, but they are few and far between).


--
Geoffrey Sneddon
<http://gsnedders.com/>


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