Thank you Nancy for taking the time to write this....I think you meant
"gen up the VVSO" not "gin up" although we are probably more than ready
for the second, I checked the number of subscribers a couple of months
ago...it was about 320...it is now over 400...it will be interesting to
see what the number is in a couple of weeks.
Joseph
(not wearing my VVSO hat)
Nancy Anthracite wrote:
I just read the article David suggested we read. It must have been a long
talk! Lots of food for thought and great trepidation.
I am going to take a chance at making people angry and talk about what has
gone on behind the scenes and why the gentle attempt to help split off some
of the traffic anticipated for this list occurred now.
Greg Kreis, who is on travel and probably will not even see posting, was on
the horn with me about another subject and expressed his concern that the
list was having so many postings that it was getting hard read them all and
that when he saw the response to the NY Times article, he figured when VO was
released that the Hardhats would be inundated with postings.
It was not the inundation he was most concerned about. It was that those who
came to Hardhats would be rapidly turned off by the technical discussion, it
would scare them off, dropping any thought of using VistA at all. They would
be a permanent loss to the community.
I told him that there were plans to gin up the VVSO (VistA Vendor Support
Organization) web site into something with one or more email lists for users,
places to donate interfaces and templates and objects and the like, etc., so
that he might talk about it with Maury Pepper to see if the VVSO site could
help. I suggested Maury because he is part of the VVSO team but I thought
since he was probably not in as much of a state of severe sleep deprivation
as the rest of the VVSO team, he might be able to focus better on the problem
at hand.
Maury talked with Greg and invited Greg to briefly join the WorldVistA board
meeting conference call Thursday night to see if they could come up with a
plan that might work out. When a last minute invitation was extended to me
as well, I joined in.
I think I can summarize the discussion by saying that everyone was fearful of
wrecking what the Hardhats mailing list has, which I will not attempt to
define, but we all know it is really great stuff. This was just a best guess
as to what might be done that would preserve what we have and yet also
provide a useful forum for new VO adopters and at least some of the rest of
us who straddle the fence between clinical and technical.
Greg felt the Hardhats began as largely a Kernel, Fileman, Taskman, etc.
infrastructure list so that that dividing line between applications and
infrastructure seemed like a reasonable one. The plan was to gently
encourage folks to move the discussion of a particular topic to the most
appropriate list. That was it. Make the new list that was coming anyway and
gently suggest ... nothing more ... and hope that even that is not too much.
I think those of us that have an interest in all aspects of VistA would do
well to join the other list and just see what happens. It will all show up
in you mailbox together and you can hopefully just keep right on doing what
you are doing with little change except the things more of interest to the
end user might end up on the VVSO list and those more down an dirty, here.
As for the Hardhats community/social interaction, I think that will stay
right here and I hope a new social institution will arise for the VO clinical
users on the VVSO site. There is a whole group of people out there working
on VO that read the Hardhats list and never post a word. I found out when I
went to one of the "Partners" meetings for VO where I was greeted like an old
friend by people I had never heard of because they had read so many of my
postings on Hardhats. VistA provides for sort of an instant bonding when you
meet someone like that. Hopefully those folks jump in on a list that is
more oriented to the sorts of things they are doing with VistA so their
expertise and insight can be tapped and we can get to know each other better.
Others of those that are reading this and not posting are programmers, and I
hope they will eventually feel comfortable letting us know they are here.
OK, now it's your turn to chew up bandwidth. I used up more than my share.
On Saturday 30 July 2005 05:56 pm, David Sommers wrote:
Why are we splitting lists? I'm treating Hardhats as "The VistA
resource" outside of the VA. Does furthering VistA outside of the VA
involve infrastructure vs support? Do the people that would respond to
Taskman questions not want to hear about setting up DUZ=1 before
entering Fileman? To me - they're related. The same person that
answers that question twice will help build the resource (Wiki) for FAQs
(as we all are), etc. Then when all the easy questions are answered
(which they will), do they go here for the really tough stuff? Wouldn't
they go to the Wiki first and we just remind them on that on their first
newb post?
Before you reply - give this long (but great) "article" a read:
http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html
If you don't want to read it all, jump down to "Part Three: What Can We
Take for Granted?" (hint: use the browser's find text tool)
I think we're all well connected to each other and contribute to this
thing we've come to love.
If someone can explain to me why I don't want to hear about installing
VistA - tell me - because I'm listening and I'm seeing new and exciting
things growing up all around me. [And then tell me what Hardhats is for
again?]
David Sommers, Architect
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Joseph Dal Molin
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:12 PM
To: hardhats
Subject: [Hardhats-members] Announcing the VistA Office EHR Discussion
Forum
Dear Hardhats List Members,
The WorldVistA VVSO has created a discussion forum specific to VistA
Office EHR. Please post all messages relating to VistA Office EHR to
this list. The exception being technical questions relating to VistA
infrastructure issues, such as Fileman, Taskman etc. which should
continue to be directed to the Hardhats list.
We are creating this list with the full support of the HardHats list
administrators, partly to address the anticipated significant increas in
traffic and diversity of messages expected with the launch of VistA
Office EHR.
To subscribe to the new list, go to:
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vista-officeehr-forum
Thank you,
Joseph Dal Molin
Program Manager, VVSO
WorldVistA
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