That phrase ("Windows ME II! Ha-ha!" and the like) is almost universally
uttered by people who fail to realize that while yes, Vista received a
substantial UI overhaul, it is more fundamentally an architectural release.
There is so much FUD out there surrounding Vista that it isn't surprising
that most people fail to grasp what it really is. There are people who
honestly believe that Vista will, upon installation, delete your MP3 or
video files that aren't DRM-protected, or will fail to play them back. It's
insane.

And to address Winterlight's points...
Security? So you turn UAC off in the first few days when you're setting up a
new system, then turn it back on. Big deal. The simple fact is that it does
provide a significantly improved level of protection. For example, a
sizeable number of IE7 exploits have proven to be ineffective on Vista with
UAC enabled.
Stability? This machine is probably among the top 2 or 3 most stable systems
I've ever used as a primary workstation. That speaks volumes.
Speed? I find Vista is as fast--if not faster--on very good hardware
relative to XP.
Driver issues? All my devices work--and I'm running x64. I did have to dump
a 5-year old $60 scanner. Darn. I haven't seen any driver issues that are
considerably worse than any other extensive OS overhaul in history.
DRM issues? Like what? Yes, you must have an HDCP-compliant monitor to play
back AACS-protected BRD or HD-DVD discs. Outside of that...nothing. More
FUD.
DirectX 10? Sure, DX10 itself isn't currently reason enough to upgrade (to
Vista), but that's been true of all DX releases. This time it's just tied to
the OS as well as hardware.

Honestly, the only four situations in which I won't recommend Vista to
somebody is if (1) they're a developer that uses Visual Studio (VS2005 just
seems quirky under Vista), (2) they need to VPN and the VPN provider has yet
to release Vista-compatible software (I hate you, Cisco), (3) they're
running old hardware, or (4) they're an HTPC power-user, as a number of
third party video players are still struggling with Aero. The impact here,
however, is just that Windows drops out of Aero Glass mode.

I've been running Vista for about 9 months now on my primary workstation.
While it isn't perfect, I don't like using my XP work machine any more.
'Nuff said.

Greg

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:56 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re[2]: [H] Vista Business
> 
> 
> > LOL, Vista is worthless!
> 
> Seconded. It's Win ME reincarnated - have fun nubs.
> 
> --
> Regards,
>  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...



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