At 05:35 PM 3/1/2010, Stan Zaske wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. My first Nvidia
card was a Riva 128 which as you may remember was THE 1st 3D
integrated video card ever sold and I stand by my opinion. As I
said, when Nvidia diversified into their 1st chipsets they bled
their video card driver efforts into other ventures. Clearly you're
pissed at the company and I understand. Their upper management who
CONTROL the software engineers are asshats for sure. They still have
the best talent in the industry IMHO because they clearly have the
MOST experience at it.
Actually, given the way engineers move around, it's quite possible
that the driver engineers at NVidia aren't the same guys who did the
Riva 128 card (which I recall as being owned by the 3DFX cards - it
wasn't until the TNT card came out that NVidia started making an
impression in the 3D arena.) So it's unclear who has more
experience. Recently (in the last four years) ATI has fixed their
drivers, and they now work well (and this is from a guy who was
anti-ATI for some time and only used NVidia.) I'm also talking a
fair number of test machines, since we sell ATI products in virtually
all of our computers these days.
T
On 3/1/2010 10:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
That makes no sense.....you are blaming hardware designers and bean
counters for poor programming.
nVidias driver creators were ABYSMAL for 2 solid years and I have
still seen nothing since the first properly working Vista driver
that has made me go "wow, excellent work"......so 3 years + of
creating barely stable drivers and you still want to argue they are
the best driver engineers? 0_o
I would sure like to see the evidence of your claim.....because
from where I have been sat these last few years, I have seen
something completely different!
And that's only the purely technical POV.....all before we talk
about the under-handed tactics they have done with disabling driver
features when they detect there is an AMD card in the system also........
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske
Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final
Thoughts and conclusions
They are the best in the world and only fail when management and bean
counters have them dilute their efforts with chipsets and other hardware
that causes them to neglect their video card line which is their real
bread and butter. Their latest serious dumb move was the same with their
last video card line only much worse. They make the mistake of creating
a behemoth of a chip die with the wrong process to support. 65 nm was
too big for the last gen and 40 is too big for their current
developement. And I wouldn't count on TSMC coming to their rescue with a
die shrink like they did with 65nm->55nm last year. It will be quite
some time until 28nm comes on line and that is what Nvidia needs for the
rumored April 26 announcement. AMD/Ati will dominate video card sales
this year because of that design decision from Nvidia. And I expect that
with the improved business confidence of AMD's (and greatly improved
cash flow) due to recent events they will do much to improve driver side.
On 3/1/2010 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I wouldn't really call them the best driver engineers when it took
them until almost a year after Vistas release to make a driver
that was stable.....and they were working on it for a year prior
to Vistas release.....
There is no best team, each one will have their moments over the years.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske
Sent: 26 February 2010 19:52
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final
Thoughts and conclusions
Read what Brent Justice has to write. He's no past fan of AMD/Ati
drivers. http://bit.ly/9D6uJ4
I'm having no problems whatsoever with 10.2 or any past drivers. Never
had any problems with Nvidia drivers either although they admittedly
have the best driver engineers for video cards in the world and always
have since Riva 128 days (had one myself back in the day).
On 2/26/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
Do a full uninstall/cleaning of the anything ATI driver related, then
install the oldest driver that will support your card.
Assuming that works, backup and upgrade cautiously!
Love my ATI 3870x2, would of just as happily done Nvidia had they made
a dual gpu card and/or supported SLI on X48's, but ATI is having major
driver issues this past year or so. Truth be told Both companies have
totally fraked older generation chipsets by not maintaining driver
support at all, even without new features though it still has not made
their drivers any more stable IMHO. Currently both companies are on my
personal shit list.
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