Scott,
Thanky for your perspective. I'm in that VooDoo sorta bent.
Been there, used it.
Seems to me we often forget that our "objective" sandbox keeps changing
also. Been through NT, W95, W98se, W2K, XP. Each [box] has its' own stuff.
And, ATI and nVidia have been slugging it out with each change of
sandbox IIRC. JMO ATM.
I'm with you. No dog in this fight any more......... :)
I'd just like to ask for opinions of "best" when I choose to upgrade.
I'll make my own decision anyway; and, live with the consequences of my
choices.
LOL!
Best,
Duncan
On 03/01/2010 20:02, Scott Sipe wrote:
Pshaw, Riva 128? Voodoo was totally the way to go!
Actually, I'm not sure how the experience factor favors Nvidia--ATI
has been designing video cards for longer than nvidia has even been
around. I'm skeptical that experience is much of a factor over that
timeframe.
I have used a x1900XT and a 8800GT in the last 5 years. I've suffered
driver crashes under XP/Vista/Windows 7 with both. Don't really have
a dog in this fight!
Scott
On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Stan Zaske wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. My first Nvidia
card was a Riva 128 which as you may remember was THE 1st 3D
integrated video card ever sold and I stand by my opinion. As I
said, when Nvidia diversified into their 1st chipsets they bled
their video card driver efforts into other ventures. Clearly you're
pissed at the company and I understand. Their upper management who
CONTROL the software engineers are asshats for sure. They still
have the best talent in the industry IMHO because they clearly have
the MOST experience at it.
On 3/1/2010 10:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
That makes no sense.....you are blaming hardware designers and
bean counters for poor programming.
nVidias driver creators were ABYSMAL for 2 solid years and I
have still seen nothing since the first properly working Vista
driver that has made me go "wow, excellent work"......so 3 years
+ of creating barely stable drivers and you still want to argue
they are the best driver engineers? 0_o
I would sure like to see the evidence of your claim.....because
from where I have been sat these last few years, I have seen
something completely different!
And that's only the purely technical POV.....all before we talk
about the under-handed tactics they have done with disabling
driver features when they detect there is an AMD card in the
system also........
-----Original Message----- From:
[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan
Zaske Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40 To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final
Thoughts and conclusions
They are the best in the world and only fail when management and
bean counters have them dilute their efforts with chipsets and
other hardware that causes them to neglect their video card line
which is their real bread and butter. Their latest serious dumb
move was the same with their last video card line only much
worse. They make the mistake of creating a behemoth of a chip die
with the wrong process to support. 65 nm was too big for the last
gen and 40 is too big for their current developement. And I
wouldn't count on TSMC coming to their rescue with a die shrink
like they did with 65nm->55nm last year. It will be quite some
time until 28nm comes on line and that is what Nvidia needs for
the rumored April 26 announcement. AMD/Ati will dominate video
card sales this year because of that design decision from Nvidia.
And I expect that with the improved business confidence of AMD's
(and greatly improved cash flow) due to recent events they will
do much to improve driver side.
On 3/1/2010 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I wouldn't really call them the best driver engineers when it
took them until almost a year after Vistas release to make a
driver that was stable.....and they were working on it for a
year prior to Vistas release.....
There is no best team, each one will have their moments over
the years.
-----Original Message----- From:
[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan
Zaske Sent: 26 February 2010 19:52 To:
[email protected] Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2&
10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions
Read what Brent Justice has to write. He's no past fan of
AMD/Ati drivers. http://bit.ly/9D6uJ4 I'm having no problems
whatsoever with 10.2 or any past drivers. Never had any
problems with Nvidia drivers either although they admittedly
have the best driver engineers for video cards in the world and
always have since Riva 128 days (had one myself back in the
day).
On 2/26/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
Do a full uninstall/cleaning of the anything ATI driver
related, then install the oldest driver that will support
your card.
Assuming that works, backup and upgrade cautiously!
Love my ATI 3870x2, would of just as happily done Nvidia had
they made a dual gpu card and/or supported SLI on X48's, but
ATI is having major driver issues this past year or so. Truth
be told Both companies have totally fraked older generation
chipsets by not maintaining driver support at all, even
without new features though it still has not made their
drivers any more stable IMHO. Currently both companies are on
my personal shit list.
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