While I appreciate David's lesson in political geography and Jewish 
pride, the encyclopedia is neither a geo-political work nor one that 
strives for re-asserting ancient titles. It simply uses a term that 
was in common use throughout many centuries right up to the early 
20th century pre-mandate to describe the area under Turkish rule also 
commonly known as the "Holy Land". David said that "Henrietta Szold 
and her contemporaries used the term Palestine since that was how 
most of the general public called the region for convenience only." 
Well, I strongly suggest that it was more than just mere convenience.

There are a *great* many books written using the term "Palestine" 
during the 19th and early 20th centuries, for example, that 
demonstrate this. Included among them are such guide books as 
Baedeker's "Palestine and Syria...Handbook for Travelers" (I have 3rd 
ed., 1898, and 5th ed., 1911); Josiah Conder's "The Modern Traveller; 
A Popular Description, Geographical, Historical and Topographical, of 
the Various Countries of the Globe - Palestine, or the Holy Land" (I 
have the 1824 ed.); Cook's "Tourist Handbook for Palestine and Syria" 
(I have the "New" ed., 1911). Then there are books about archeology, 
such as those issued by the Palestine Exploration Fund - for eg. "Our 
Work In Palestine; Being an Account of the Different Expeditions Sent 
Out to the Holy Land by the Committee of the Palestine Exploration 
Fund, Since the Establishment of the Fund in 1865" (mine is the 
Toronto ed. of 1873), or Claude R. Conder's famous "Tent Work In 
Palestine; A Record of Discovery and Adventure" (2 vols., mine ed. is 
from 1878). And there are literally *scores* of straightforward 
accounts of travel, such as J.H. Alexander's "The Mountains of 
Palestine" (1871), Maltbie Davenport Babcock's "Letters From Egypt 
and Palestine" (1902), James Finn's "Byways In Palestine" (1868), or 
John W.Dulles' "The Ride Trough Palestine" (1881). By the way, Finn 
was at one time the British "Consul for Jerusalem and Palestine" - 
and this aspect of diplomatic life there included consuls from most 
of the European powers, as well as the USA, who were all similarly named.

Please note that my examples are pre-British mandate. So the use of 
Palestine to describe that part of the world, while not accurate from 
a geo-political pov and while it was not a separate country, etc., as 
David has correctly demonstrated, was nonetheless *called* 
"Palestine". This is also true for many of the inhabitants. In 
Turkish times there were national Arab-Palestinian movements and 
newspapers - for example the Palestinian newspaper "Filastin" was 
being published in Jaffa around the turn of the century (EJ, 1st ed., 
V.9, col. 333).

Madeleine Cohen Oakley's suggestion to use "Palestine (pre-State 
Israel)" can be read to imply that *all* of what was commonly called 
Palestine pre-1948 should now be considered "pre-State Israel". 
That's quite a leap! As David will confirm, there were Jews living in 
areas of Palestine pre-1948 and even pre-1914 that are not part of 
Israel 'proper' (ie. inside the "Green Line"), such as Hebron. This 
way of thinking leads to dark problems...
Be well,
Bernard.

Bernard Katz
Former head, Archival and Special Collections
             University of Guelph
Founding treasurer, AJL-Ontario Chapter
Treasurer, Association for Canadian Jewish Studies
Founding member, Canadian Jewish Book Awards
Prose editor, Parchment; Contemporary Canadian Jewish Writing


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