Yes, that was established in the HCM (even prior to this thread ☺).
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On Behalf Of Yossi Galron
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
Then is the question: (and I think it was already established) that if there is
the fifth Hebrew letter ("He") it will be transcribed as an H with an optional
246 field.
Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Shinohara, Jasmin
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I don’t think that formulation is clear, Jerry Anne. Typically, where vowels
are supplied, it is to indicate whether the Name should be pronounced as
Ado-nai or as Elokim. To say “it should be Romanized with the vowels as given
in the source” may imply using the YHṾH consonants with the addition of the
supplied vowels, but those consonants are not (typically) intended to be
pronounced. I think if the vocalization is given, that form (Ado-nai or Elokim)
should be in the 245 with the addition of YHṾH in the 246.
My half cent. Jasmin
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Good question. If the vowels are supplied should the Tetragrammaton be
Romanized with the vowels?
Should the HCM say: The unvocalized Tetragrammaton, יהוה, should be Romanized
YHṾH. If the Tetragrammaton is vocalized it should be Romanized with the
vowels as given in the source.”
Thoughts?
Best,
Jerry Anne
From: Robert M. TALBOTT [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 10:58 AM
To: Dickel, Geraldine
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Authority Funnel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
Well, it's been lost in the dust up, but what about cases where vowels are
supplied? Or is the Tetragrammaton always YHVH in all instances, euphemistic
added entries not with standing?
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Dickel, Geraldine
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I have added: “The Tetragrammaton, יהוה, should be Romanized YHṾH.” to page 32
of the HCM under Names of the Divinity. Jasmin has also added it to the
Romanization FAQ document on the AJL RAS Cataloging wiki.
Thank you,
Jerry Anne
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On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 5:31 PM
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Thanks folks.
Is there any chance we could get a transliteration advisory covering this
included in the HCM? 'Twould be quite handy for those few times it actually
happens.
B
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Judith Zupnick
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I agree with Joan.
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on behalf of Joan Biella <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:39 PM
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I agree with Aaron, and would advocate for YHVH (subscript dot under V) as the
least controversial way to deal with this situation.
Joan
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Kuperman, Aaron
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Assuming there are no nekudot, would it not be presumptuous for a cataloger to
claim to know how it would be pronounced.
Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section.
This is not an official communication from my employer
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On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 3:49 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
Hi folks:
I'm cataloging a book right now that has the tetragrammaton in the title.
1) YHVH? This is what the record has
2) Yehovah? My preference
3) Yahveh? As good as any other
4) Or should we use a euphemism,e.g ha-Shem?
I'm not invested in this one and am agnostic as to the outcome, but which form
is preferred? The euphemism 'ha-Shem" and "Adonai" are already slotted in the
record as added title entries.
B
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