Thanks Yossi. Such a cute story! Loved it and was laughing out loud all by myself after my volunteer shift Be well Shoshanah
Get Outlook for iOS<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://aka.ms/o0ukef__;!!KGKeukY!0J5QXORHY1Hn-rN2c8IMNPminiujKmRACuRQ48TRpyajug_P8jRsYvK6n5ikGVgeshNQz-cG3fKOOyt5td4m5Ao_og0Hzw$ > ________________________________ From: Heb-naco <[email protected]> on behalf of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 11:04:44 AM To: Gottschalk, Haim <[email protected]>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <[email protected]>; Freedman, Vanessa <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון Well, I don’t agree with the notion that we have to transcribe the non-Hebrew names according to the rules of the Hebrew language. A search in the OCLC database found 1266 hits for “be-Polin” (of those there are 146 records from the Library of Congress) and 140 hits for “be-Folin” (of those there are 2 records from LC). Hebrew place name (Bene Berak, Berit ha-mo’atsot, etc.) should be transcribed according to the Hebrew grammar rules (i.e bi-Vene Berak, bi-Verit ha-moatsot, etc.) That reminds me on the story about the discussion in the Israeli Kenesset in the 1950s when Rabbi Fishman of the Mafdal party complained that the government does not encourage the use of proper grammatical rules, especially a case of Dagesh in the letters Bet, Gimel, Dalet, Kaf, Peh and Tav when they are at the beginning of a word. David Ben Gurion answered – “Mar Pishman tsodek”, and that ended the discussion. Yossi From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Gottschalk, Haim via Heb-naco Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:45 AM To: Freedman, Vanessa <[email protected]>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון Hi Vanessa, Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant. yun. It is a foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for בברוקלין (in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However, that said I also Hi Vanessa, Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant.yun. It is a foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for בברוקלין (in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However, that said I also search for בבני ברק and found bi-Vene Berak. My inclination would be to have the B instead of a V, for the sake of searching, similar to the idea of how we Romanize בירושלים as bi-Yerushalayim instead of birushalayim. My 3.37 cents. Best, Haim __________ Haim A. Gottschalk Hebraica and Judaica Cataloging Librarian Asian and Middle Eastern Division, Israel and Judaica Section Onsite Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and alternate Fridays The Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave, SE, LM-537 Washington, DC 20540-4222 Direct: 202-707-2498 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [cid:[email protected]] THIS EMAIL IS NOT CLASSIFIED Expressing my views. Ideas & opinions in this email are not intended to represent those of the Library of Congress or its staff. P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail From: Heb-naco <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Freedman, Vanessa via Heb-naco Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:02 AM To: Heb-NACO ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון CAUTION: This email message has been received from an external source. Please use caution when opening attachments, or clicking on links. How would you Romanise בביזנטיון (in Byzantium)? I would think be-Vizanṭyon but OCLC 1378074102 has be-Bizanṭyon. Would you retain the B after be- because it’s a foreign loan word? Thanks Vanessa Vanessa Freedman Subject Liaison Librarian: How would you Romanise בביזנטיון (in Byzantium)? I would think be-Vizanṭyon but OCLC 1378074102 has be-Bizanṭyon. Would you retain the B after be- because it’s a foreign loan word? Thanks Vanessa Vanessa Freedman Subject Liaison Librarian: Hebrew & Jewish Studies Pronouns: she/her Work pattern: Tues-Thurs 10am to 6pm Main Library UCL Library Services Library, Culture, Collections & Open Science Gower Street London WC1E 6BT Tel: 020 7679 2598 E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Twitter: @UCLHJSLibrary @vrfreedman Website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ucl.ac.uk/library__;!!KGKeukY!0J5QXORHY1Hn-rN2c8IMNPminiujKmRACuRQ48TRpyajug_P8jRsYvK6n5ikGVgeshNQz-cG3fKOOyt5td4m5Ar8fTFMVg$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.ucl.ac.uk/library__;!!KGKeukY!0NLGSmZCIJq7_oWDMaNiYxLaV6RJ4ntfT_nwD58UlBCk-TdFb_AShY4oAQlh3H3j88cBfRzqqTpsc-8MeYu3Yk7DjLA$> **Please remember the environment and only print this if necessary**
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