The distinction that seems to exist in some people's minds appears to be whether a charge is made/paid on-playa. Obviously people paid me to make yurts for them - or in some cases to rent them from me. Part of the deal for many of these folks was delivery and even setup/tear-down.
I have to say, however, that for some people, this did seem to put them or the situation outside what we all hope is the "playa mentality." One of my helpers nearly quit over how she felt treated by a couple of people we served. Perhaps she was expecting too much; perhaps people bring more of their mundane world selves onto the playa than we - or they - would like. I know I have this bad little habit I would so like to ditch, but there it was - popping up in the middle of a camp social gathering talking about food & morality. I plan on working on more clarity, more reliability and better expectation management... as well as better designs. One of the toughest problems in moving such a problem into a "service model" is "a lot of shit happens" that affects how much work & expense is involved in making it all happen. One guy might be at his intended camp at the set delivery time (which one hopes to be a simple loop around the area - maybe once for "early delivery" and again for "normal"). He's ready and there's no problem. Boom. Off the truck and move on. 5 minutes. OR... The guy's stuck in line... maybe... or he changed camps and nobody you can find knows. So you spend not just 2 hours with "early delivery" but 2 days. So far "simple stuff" like, "Just come to Location A and pick it up/drop it off," hasn't worked at all. There are solutions, but they have to be worked on and tested.... Maybe giant autonomous hexacopters with facial recognition... and drop-down mobs of coordinated assembly bots. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jason Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > I like Dan's idea of handling this logitistically. I mean most people are > only using the yurts for burn, so a storage center not far from burn seems > like a brilliant idea. Atleast as a first step letting people store them > there, so they don't have to get going super fast speeds with their shotty > strapping. Then after that part is implemented we could work on some kind > of off playa logistics team. Just a big truck that goes around picking up > already taken down yurts, tags their information on it, gives them receipt > and brings them to storage. > > In the business world you'd just set it up, offer it as a service, like > dan did building them... and bam probably would be a profitable business > that solves the moop problem. Not sure how having a charge would be > received by burning community tho > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Dan March <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It's all pretty variable, one vehicle to another, one person's strap-down >> vs. another's. Yurts don't weigh much but on the roof, they get hit with a >> lot of air (a load of yurts on the roof dropped my mileage in half). >> Plywood sandwiching is great at protecting the yurt's panels (as long as it >> stays put on the roof rack & the rack itself on the roof). A strong, well >> wrapped & strapped tarp is probably a plus but a flimsy, >> poorly-wrapped/attached one often turns out to be a liability. If you're >> in doubt about your rack getting ripped off your roof, then (generally) yes >> - run straps through the inside/under roof. >> >> I wonder if BRC authorities could be stationed to look out for >> poorly-configured/attached loads and ask/require that no one present a >> significant/obvious risk of losing the load en route. Maybe offer >> suggestions or even help securing stuff. Sort of internal >> semi-self-policing instead of having the regular authorities pull you over >> as they become increasingly annoyed at burners' failure to contain their >> loads. >> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:19 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It would be great if we had some kind of remotely solid info on how these >>> failures are happening. For example, a yurt wrapped in plywood and tarp >>> can still fly off a car if it's only attached to a roof rack, and wind >>> tears the roof rack off (don't remember where I heard of that happening). >>> >>> Does the wiki have a page that points out the usefulness of strapping >>> through the car doors? >>> >>> On 09/21, 'Adam Gensler' via hexayurt wrote: >>> > If you wrap the boards in the tarp that serves as the yurt floor, >>> these >>> > transport disasters would be virtually eliminated. That and plywood >>> > sandwiching work quite well. >>> > Adam >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:24 PM, "Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter >>> Project)" >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > We have to get people off RMAX etc. and on to Hunter XCI 286 / >>> Thermax >>> > HD and such like. >>> > Have to. It's time. >>> > -- >>> > Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com >>> > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>> > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >>> > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >>> > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Dan March < >>> [email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Hey y'all ~ >>> > >>> > When I saw the headline for this post, I imagined yurts at some >>> stage >>> > of tear-down and loading getting blown astray - or worse, being >>> > abandoned (so I'd be interested in how that quantified). >>> > >>> > Of course, reading it revealed a problem pretty hard to miss on >>> the >>> > roads away from BRC - just as darxus reports. Bringing the >>> large >>> > amounts of stuff - from art to experimental dwellings to >>> costumes and >>> > consumables are all part of what make the experience what it is >>> - so >>> > we deal with it better. >>> > >>> > It's legitimate to call out yurts specifically. There are more >>> every >>> > year (because they're such as cool dwelling solution), but that >>> really >>> > means we need to solve the transport problem. It's kind of >>> unique to >>> > yurts because it's possible and tempting to flap a stack of >>> insulation >>> > boards on your roof rack and drive. They're light. But as >>> noted, >>> > they're also fragile. >>> > >>> > Even though they're modular and collapsible, they do take up >>> > significant space in garages, etc. >>> > Conceptually simple solution: Store them more or less on the >>> playa. >>> > As I understand it, many organized camps have storage >>> containers left >>> > on adjacent non-BLM land which are transported to & from >>> campsites for >>> > each year's burn by BLC "facilities" guys (someone help me out >>> with >>> > their official name... and contact info, please). >>> > >>> > Real-world wrinkles: ..Attendance uncertainty, >>> > maintenance/repair/remodel/replace and on-playa logistics. >>> None of >>> > that is easy, I got a little look at that by making almost 30 >>> yurts, >>> > getting them to people (mostly on-playa), dealing with supplier >>> > delays, weather delays, entry delays, people not coming after >>> all, >>> > unforeseen "variation" in user/owner setup and breakdown etc. >>> Then, >>> > "What's worth saving?" - which means cleaning up dust, messed >>> up tape, >>> > dings, etc. I'm pretty sure a significant percentage of yurts >>> come >>> > out of the garage 5 years after their only burn and just land >>> in the >>> > trash (carbon/general environmental footprint???). >>> > >>> > So it's not a "simple" solution. But is there a better one? >>> It's >>> > certainly not a one solution fits all world either. Camps and >>> other >>> > groups carefully collect yurts and put them in the camp >>> storage. But >>> > not every camp does this for everyone all the time. >>> > >>> > Thoughts? >>> > >>> > Dan >>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:49 AM, <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> http://blog.burningman.com/2014/09/environment/moop-map-2014-roadside-poop-hexamoop/ >>> > >>> > 'The second, more surprising 2014 trend: hexayurts. Large >>> numbers >>> > of broken hexayurt panels wound up littering the highway, >>> scattering >>> > little bits of styrofoam through the sage. Solution: Strap >>> your >>> > hexayurt >>> > panels more carefully, so they won’t bend and break when you >>> hit >>> > highway speeds. >>> > >>> > “Wrap your yurts! They fly away, and once it hits the >>> sagebrush, >>> > it’s over,” says Ninjalina, Highway Cleanup Assistant >>> Manager. 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