Yup, I bought a Yurt off someone one year, and he had everyone come to a central location to pick them up.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) < [email protected]> wrote: > Lug 'em to a depot and let people come across the playa to pick them up. > If they need a trolley, they have to leave one of their camp mates as a > deposit. > > I'm just glad the plug'n'play camps are mostly in RVs. > > V> > > -- > *Vinay Gupta * * [email protected] <[email protected]> * > *http://re.silience.com* <http://re.silience.com> > *Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest* > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Dan March <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The distinction that seems to exist in some people's minds appears to be >> whether a charge is made/paid on-playa. Obviously people paid me to make >> yurts for them - or in some cases to rent them from me. Part of the deal >> for many of these folks was delivery and even setup/tear-down. >> >> I have to say, however, that for some people, this did seem to put them >> or the situation outside what we all hope is the "playa mentality." One of >> my helpers nearly quit over how she felt treated by a couple of people we >> served. Perhaps she was expecting too much; perhaps people bring more of >> their mundane world selves onto the playa than we - or they - would like. >> I know I have this bad little habit I would so like to ditch, but there it >> was - popping up in the middle of a camp social gathering talking about >> food & morality. I plan on working on more clarity, more reliability and >> better expectation management... as well as better designs. >> >> One of the toughest problems in moving such a problem into a "service >> model" is "a lot of shit happens" that affects how much work & expense is >> involved in making it all happen. One guy might be at his intended camp at >> the set delivery time (which one hopes to be a simple loop around the area >> - maybe once for "early delivery" and again for "normal"). He's ready and >> there's no problem. Boom. Off the truck and move on. 5 minutes. OR... >> The guy's stuck in line... maybe... or he changed camps and nobody you can >> find knows. So you spend not just 2 hours with "early delivery" but 2 >> days. So far "simple stuff" like, "Just come to Location A and pick it >> up/drop it off," hasn't worked at all. >> >> There are solutions, but they have to be worked on and tested.... Maybe >> giant autonomous hexacopters with facial recognition... and drop-down mobs >> of coordinated assembly bots. >> >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jason Adams < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I like Dan's idea of handling this logitistically. I mean most people >>> are only using the yurts for burn, so a storage center not far from burn >>> seems like a brilliant idea. Atleast as a first step letting people store >>> them there, so they don't have to get going super fast speeds with their >>> shotty strapping. Then after that part is implemented we could work on some >>> kind of off playa logistics team. Just a big truck that goes around >>> picking up already taken down yurts, tags their information on it, gives >>> them receipt and brings them to storage. >>> >>> In the business world you'd just set it up, offer it as a service, like >>> dan did building them... and bam probably would be a profitable business >>> that solves the moop problem. Not sure how having a charge would be >>> received by burning community tho >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Dan March <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's all pretty variable, one vehicle to another, one person's >>>> strap-down vs. another's. Yurts don't weigh much but on the roof, they get >>>> hit with a lot of air (a load of yurts on the roof dropped my mileage in >>>> half). Plywood sandwiching is great at protecting the yurt's panels (as >>>> long as it stays put on the roof rack & the rack itself on the roof). A >>>> strong, well wrapped & strapped tarp is probably a plus but a flimsy, >>>> poorly-wrapped/attached one often turns out to be a liability. If you're >>>> in doubt about your rack getting ripped off your roof, then (generally) yes >>>> - run straps through the inside/under roof. >>>> >>>> I wonder if BRC authorities could be stationed to look out for >>>> poorly-configured/attached loads and ask/require that no one present a >>>> significant/obvious risk of losing the load en route. Maybe offer >>>> suggestions or even help securing stuff. Sort of internal >>>> semi-self-policing instead of having the regular authorities pull you over >>>> as they become increasingly annoyed at burners' failure to contain their >>>> loads. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:19 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It would be great if we had some kind of remotely solid info on how >>>>> these >>>>> failures are happening. For example, a yurt wrapped in plywood and >>>>> tarp >>>>> can still fly off a car if it's only attached to a roof rack, and wind >>>>> tears the roof rack off (don't remember where I heard of that >>>>> happening). >>>>> >>>>> Does the wiki have a page that points out the usefulness of strapping >>>>> through the car doors? >>>>> >>>>> On 09/21, 'Adam Gensler' via hexayurt wrote: >>>>> > If you wrap the boards in the tarp that serves as the yurt floor, >>>>> these >>>>> > transport disasters would be virtually eliminated. That and >>>>> plywood >>>>> > sandwiching work quite well. >>>>> > Adam >>>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>>> > On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:24 PM, "Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter >>>>> Project)" >>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > We have to get people off RMAX etc. and on to Hunter XCI 286 / >>>>> Thermax >>>>> > HD and such like. >>>>> > Have to. It's time. >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com >>>>> > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>>>> > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >>>>> > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >>>>> > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >>>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Dan March < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hey y'all ~ >>>>> > >>>>> > When I saw the headline for this post, I imagined yurts at >>>>> some stage >>>>> > of tear-down and loading getting blown astray - or worse, >>>>> being >>>>> > abandoned (so I'd be interested in how that quantified). >>>>> > >>>>> > Of course, reading it revealed a problem pretty hard to miss >>>>> on the >>>>> > roads away from BRC - just as darxus reports. Bringing the >>>>> large >>>>> > amounts of stuff - from art to experimental dwellings to >>>>> costumes and >>>>> > consumables are all part of what make the experience what it >>>>> is - so >>>>> > we deal with it better. >>>>> > >>>>> > It's legitimate to call out yurts specifically. There are >>>>> more every >>>>> > year (because they're such as cool dwelling solution), but >>>>> that really >>>>> > means we need to solve the transport problem. It's kind of >>>>> unique to >>>>> > yurts because it's possible and tempting to flap a stack of >>>>> insulation >>>>> > boards on your roof rack and drive. They're light. But as >>>>> noted, >>>>> > they're also fragile. >>>>> > >>>>> > Even though they're modular and collapsible, they do take up >>>>> > significant space in garages, etc. >>>>> > Conceptually simple solution: Store them more or less on the >>>>> playa. >>>>> > As I understand it, many organized camps have storage >>>>> containers left >>>>> > on adjacent non-BLM land which are transported to & from >>>>> campsites for >>>>> > each year's burn by BLC "facilities" guys (someone help me >>>>> out with >>>>> > their official name... and contact info, please). >>>>> > >>>>> > Real-world wrinkles: ..Attendance uncertainty, >>>>> > maintenance/repair/remodel/replace and on-playa logistics. >>>>> None of >>>>> > that is easy, I got a little look at that by making almost >>>>> 30 yurts, >>>>> > getting them to people (mostly on-playa), dealing with >>>>> supplier >>>>> > delays, weather delays, entry delays, people not coming after >>>>> all, >>>>> > unforeseen "variation" in user/owner setup and breakdown >>>>> etc. Then, >>>>> > "What's worth saving?" - which means cleaning up dust, messed >>>>> up tape, >>>>> > dings, etc. I'm pretty sure a significant percentage of >>>>> yurts come >>>>> > out of the garage 5 years after their only burn and just land >>>>> in the >>>>> > trash (carbon/general environmental footprint???). >>>>> > >>>>> > So it's not a "simple" solution. But is there a better one? >>>>> It's >>>>> > certainly not a one solution fits all world either. Camps >>>>> and other >>>>> > groups carefully collect yurts and put them in the camp >>>>> storage. But >>>>> > not every camp does this for everyone all the time. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thoughts? >>>>> > >>>>> > Dan >>>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:49 AM, <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://blog.burningman.com/2014/09/environment/moop-map-2014-roadside-poop-hexamoop/ >>>>> > >>>>> > 'The second, more surprising 2014 trend: hexayurts. Large >>>>> numbers >>>>> > of broken hexayurt panels wound up littering the highway, >>>>> scattering >>>>> > little bits of styrofoam through the sage. Solution: Strap >>>>> your >>>>> > hexayurt >>>>> > panels more carefully, so they won’t bend and break when >>>>> you hit >>>>> > highway speeds. >>>>> > >>>>> > “Wrap your yurts! They fly away, and once it hits the >>>>> sagebrush, >>>>> > it’s over,” says Ninjalina, Highway Cleanup Assistant >>>>> Manager. The >>>>> > prickly branches catch bits of foam and wood as they blow >>>>> past in >>>>> > the >>>>> > wind, creating an extended trail of littered brush. >>>>> > >>>>> > “My truck alone picked up 64 contractor bags of trash, 30 >>>>> tires, >>>>> > 20 yurt panels and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff,” >>>>> Ninjalina says.' >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>> from it, >>>>> > send an email to [email protected]. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt >>>>> . >>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>> it, send >>>>> > an email to [email protected]. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>> it, send >>>>> > an email to [email protected]. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google Groups >>>>> > "hexayurt" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an >>>>> > email to [email protected]. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "hexayurt" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hexayurt" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hexayurt" group. 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