Lug 'em to a depot and let people come across the playa to pick them up. If they need a trolley, they have to leave one of their camp mates as a deposit.
I'm just glad the plug'n'play camps are mostly in RVs. V> -- *Vinay Gupta * * [email protected] <[email protected]> * *http://re.silience.com* <http://re.silience.com> *Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest* UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Dan March <[email protected]> wrote: > The distinction that seems to exist in some people's minds appears to be > whether a charge is made/paid on-playa. Obviously people paid me to make > yurts for them - or in some cases to rent them from me. Part of the deal > for many of these folks was delivery and even setup/tear-down. > > I have to say, however, that for some people, this did seem to put them or > the situation outside what we all hope is the "playa mentality." One of my > helpers nearly quit over how she felt treated by a couple of people we > served. Perhaps she was expecting too much; perhaps people bring more of > their mundane world selves onto the playa than we - or they - would like. > I know I have this bad little habit I would so like to ditch, but there it > was - popping up in the middle of a camp social gathering talking about > food & morality. I plan on working on more clarity, more reliability and > better expectation management... as well as better designs. > > One of the toughest problems in moving such a problem into a "service > model" is "a lot of shit happens" that affects how much work & expense is > involved in making it all happen. One guy might be at his intended camp at > the set delivery time (which one hopes to be a simple loop around the area > - maybe once for "early delivery" and again for "normal"). He's ready and > there's no problem. Boom. Off the truck and move on. 5 minutes. OR... > The guy's stuck in line... maybe... or he changed camps and nobody you can > find knows. So you spend not just 2 hours with "early delivery" but 2 > days. So far "simple stuff" like, "Just come to Location A and pick it > up/drop it off," hasn't worked at all. > > There are solutions, but they have to be worked on and tested.... Maybe > giant autonomous hexacopters with facial recognition... and drop-down mobs > of coordinated assembly bots. > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jason Adams <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> I like Dan's idea of handling this logitistically. I mean most people are >> only using the yurts for burn, so a storage center not far from burn seems >> like a brilliant idea. Atleast as a first step letting people store them >> there, so they don't have to get going super fast speeds with their shotty >> strapping. Then after that part is implemented we could work on some kind >> of off playa logistics team. Just a big truck that goes around picking up >> already taken down yurts, tags their information on it, gives them receipt >> and brings them to storage. >> >> In the business world you'd just set it up, offer it as a service, like >> dan did building them... and bam probably would be a profitable business >> that solves the moop problem. Not sure how having a charge would be >> received by burning community tho >> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Dan March <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> It's all pretty variable, one vehicle to another, one person's >>> strap-down vs. another's. Yurts don't weigh much but on the roof, they get >>> hit with a lot of air (a load of yurts on the roof dropped my mileage in >>> half). Plywood sandwiching is great at protecting the yurt's panels (as >>> long as it stays put on the roof rack & the rack itself on the roof). A >>> strong, well wrapped & strapped tarp is probably a plus but a flimsy, >>> poorly-wrapped/attached one often turns out to be a liability. If you're >>> in doubt about your rack getting ripped off your roof, then (generally) yes >>> - run straps through the inside/under roof. >>> >>> I wonder if BRC authorities could be stationed to look out for >>> poorly-configured/attached loads and ask/require that no one present a >>> significant/obvious risk of losing the load en route. Maybe offer >>> suggestions or even help securing stuff. Sort of internal >>> semi-self-policing instead of having the regular authorities pull you over >>> as they become increasingly annoyed at burners' failure to contain their >>> loads. >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:19 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> It would be great if we had some kind of remotely solid info on how >>>> these >>>> failures are happening. For example, a yurt wrapped in plywood and tarp >>>> can still fly off a car if it's only attached to a roof rack, and wind >>>> tears the roof rack off (don't remember where I heard of that >>>> happening). >>>> >>>> Does the wiki have a page that points out the usefulness of strapping >>>> through the car doors? >>>> >>>> On 09/21, 'Adam Gensler' via hexayurt wrote: >>>> > If you wrap the boards in the tarp that serves as the yurt floor, >>>> these >>>> > transport disasters would be virtually eliminated. That and >>>> plywood >>>> > sandwiching work quite well. >>>> > Adam >>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:24 PM, "Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter >>>> Project)" >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > We have to get people off RMAX etc. and on to Hunter XCI 286 / >>>> Thermax >>>> > HD and such like. >>>> > Have to. It's time. >>>> > -- >>>> > Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com >>>> > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>>> > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >>>> > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >>>> > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Dan March < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hey y'all ~ >>>> > >>>> > When I saw the headline for this post, I imagined yurts at >>>> some stage >>>> > of tear-down and loading getting blown astray - or worse, being >>>> > abandoned (so I'd be interested in how that quantified). >>>> > >>>> > Of course, reading it revealed a problem pretty hard to miss >>>> on the >>>> > roads away from BRC - just as darxus reports. Bringing the >>>> large >>>> > amounts of stuff - from art to experimental dwellings to >>>> costumes and >>>> > consumables are all part of what make the experience what it >>>> is - so >>>> > we deal with it better. >>>> > >>>> > It's legitimate to call out yurts specifically. There are >>>> more every >>>> > year (because they're such as cool dwelling solution), but >>>> that really >>>> > means we need to solve the transport problem. It's kind of >>>> unique to >>>> > yurts because it's possible and tempting to flap a stack of >>>> insulation >>>> > boards on your roof rack and drive. They're light. But as >>>> noted, >>>> > they're also fragile. >>>> > >>>> > Even though they're modular and collapsible, they do take up >>>> > significant space in garages, etc. >>>> > Conceptually simple solution: Store them more or less on the >>>> playa. >>>> > As I understand it, many organized camps have storage >>>> containers left >>>> > on adjacent non-BLM land which are transported to & from >>>> campsites for >>>> > each year's burn by BLC "facilities" guys (someone help me out >>>> with >>>> > their official name... and contact info, please). >>>> > >>>> > Real-world wrinkles: ..Attendance uncertainty, >>>> > maintenance/repair/remodel/replace and on-playa logistics. >>>> None of >>>> > that is easy, I got a little look at that by making almost 30 >>>> yurts, >>>> > getting them to people (mostly on-playa), dealing with supplier >>>> > delays, weather delays, entry delays, people not coming after >>>> all, >>>> > unforeseen "variation" in user/owner setup and breakdown etc. >>>> Then, >>>> > "What's worth saving?" - which means cleaning up dust, messed >>>> up tape, >>>> > dings, etc. I'm pretty sure a significant percentage of yurts >>>> come >>>> > out of the garage 5 years after their only burn and just land >>>> in the >>>> > trash (carbon/general environmental footprint???). >>>> > >>>> > So it's not a "simple" solution. But is there a better one? >>>> It's >>>> > certainly not a one solution fits all world either. Camps and >>>> other >>>> > groups carefully collect yurts and put them in the camp >>>> storage. But >>>> > not every camp does this for everyone all the time. >>>> > >>>> > Thoughts? >>>> > >>>> > Dan >>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:49 AM, <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://blog.burningman.com/2014/09/environment/moop-map-2014-roadside-poop-hexamoop/ >>>> > >>>> > 'The second, more surprising 2014 trend: hexayurts. Large >>>> numbers >>>> > of broken hexayurt panels wound up littering the highway, >>>> scattering >>>> > little bits of styrofoam through the sage. Solution: Strap >>>> your >>>> > hexayurt >>>> > panels more carefully, so they won’t bend and break when you >>>> hit >>>> > highway speeds. >>>> > >>>> > “Wrap your yurts! They fly away, and once it hits the >>>> sagebrush, >>>> > it’s over,” says Ninjalina, Highway Cleanup Assistant >>>> Manager. The >>>> > prickly branches catch bits of foam and wood as they blow >>>> past in >>>> > the >>>> > wind, creating an extended trail of littered brush. >>>> > >>>> > “My truck alone picked up 64 contractor bags of trash, 30 >>>> tires, >>>> > 20 yurt panels and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff,” >>>> Ninjalina says.' >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> > Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>> from it, >>>> > send an email to [email protected]. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> > Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>> it, send >>>> > an email to [email protected]. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> . >>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> > Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>> it, send >>>> > an email to [email protected]. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> > "hexayurt" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an >>>> > email to [email protected]. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "hexayurt" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hexayurt" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hexayurt" group. 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