Jay & others,
Sorry for the confusion around pricing. The $300 was a multi year promotion. It
is still $200 for one year. We could not afford to do this at $75, as I had to
hire crew each time to move the 1.5" ones wrapped with 1/2 or 5/8 ply.
We had all our stored hexayurts on playa by Friday. My recollection was that
yours was in the middle. When I left camp that morning, there wasn't anything
on top of the hexayurts.
I believe I had said I'd have yours and the others on playa by Thursday if not
early Friday. Our delay was due to our rental truck's transmission issues which
finally resolved itself when it just quit running. You were to arrive Friday
night & pick up Saturday morning, according to your Aug email.
Deepest apologies if we inconvenienced you. It and we, will be better next
year.
Changes for next year:
Staging around 6:00 & deep ring road, on playa.
Crew camped at site from Wed - Monday of gates
Sunday & Monday Exodous
Your suggestions are excellent however for mass storage & transport. And, 1/8"
ply certainly makes the stack lighter. After this year, I'd even suggest two
stacks but that doubles the amount of ply while it does make moving around the
hexayurt a lot easier.
Two of our stored hexayurts (1.5" H12's) required three people to move!!
We are re-desiging our H15's for easier storage & transport and those of you
who have these may want to consider this as well. We are taping 2x8 panels (two
sections) to the H12 on playa. They've been properly taped for folding and
stack into a 4 x 8.
Storage containers may be the way to go. Suggest modified doors so that two can
roll up on the 8' side for easier access. Logistics for reclaiming one's
hexayurt on playa will still be a bitch even if stacked in reverse according to
arrival, if people are late. (as happened with us this year).
There may be storage space available for containers on private property, just
south of the BM ranch about 10 miles north of Pt 1. (12 mile gate).
According to a friend in the org (who has built and lived in a hexayurt on
playa), most of the hexayurt moop picked up along the highway was NOT RMax, but
cardboard insulation and other cheap insulation products.
Wrapping in tarp or plastic prior to any trip is a must.
Would be great to have a couple of people from this page, either stay, or
return to BRC next year to join the highway resto teams.
Cheers & Peace, Phoenix
On Sep 23, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jay Batson <[email protected]> wrote:
> I very much like the idea of a centralized yurt-storage service. A couple of
> thoughts:
> There's a guy who did this last year for me ("Black Rock Hexayurts"). He
> charged a very modest price last year ($75), but raised it to $300 this year.
> Sadly, his service quality was poor; yurts were not on-playa on the date
> promised, the yurts were buried under lots of his other camp "stuff", and he
> was rarely around when you went to find him. A solo person, unorganized, with
> poor standards is NOT the solution. (I found a different solution this year,
> but would still like a quality service.)
> Charging for this in advance of the burn is reasonable. The service must
> incur a fairly substantial investment to make this happen; having a
> predictable number of people / yurts is crucial to viability.
> It's also reasonable to require that Yurts be packaged to specific
> requirements. Because people are not likely to always comply with them, the
> service should have some spare supplies - tarps, ply, etc. - to "fix" those
> that are not delivered properly (at either end). By the way: 1/4" ply adds a
> huge amount of weight to a wrapped bundle; I used 1/8" satisfactorily.
> I LOVE the trolly solution pictured in this thread. These could actually be
> made of ply & some wheels with carriage that could be broken down for storage
> year-to-year. We could actually have / make a half-a-dozen of these to help
> people get yurts to their camp quickly (and back). Some form of generalized
> clamp-to-bike-seatpost needs thought up, so people can use their own bikes.
> I know a couple of camp leaders who store trailers near Black Rock City -
> generally on privately owned land. Storage costs can actually be fairly small.
> Purchasing used semi-truck containers isn't back-breaking. They can be had
> for a few thousand bucks. This can be recovered over a couple of burns,
> easily.
> I'd also consider some form of construction / arrangement inside the trailer
> so that yurts can be pulled off the truck randomly - without having to unload
> all yurts before one in the back can be unloaded. This reduces density, but
> increases practicality.
> We'd have to have people scheduled to be at the truck for early-arrival, and
> staying post-burn, so people who are there in those times can collect /
> drop-off their yurts. This should be volunteer effort.
> Costs / money collected for this service should only go to cover the hard
> costs involved; labor should be volunteered (in the spirit of BM). It should
> operate as a non-profit. (Note: This means, actually, targeting a very small
> profit each year. Having run a non-profit, I've discovered that unexpected
> costs always arise, which wipe out that small profit....)
> I'd be happy to consider spearheading this, but would only do it if we had a
> fair groundswell of support.
>
> Maybe we should start a new, properly titled thread to discuss this?
> -jb
>
> On Monday, September 22, 2014 4:10:51 AM UTC+9, BurnerDan wrote:
> Hey y'all ~
>
> When I saw the headline for this post, I imagined yurts at some stage of
> tear-down and loading getting blown astray - or worse, being abandoned (so
> I'd be interested in how that quantified).
>
> Of course, reading it revealed a problem pretty hard to miss on the roads
> away from BRC - just as darxus reports. Bringing the large amounts of stuff
> - from art to experimental dwellings to costumes and consumables are all part
> of what make the experience what it is - so we deal with it better.
>
> It's legitimate to call out yurts specifically. There are more every year
> (because they're such as cool dwelling solution), but that really means we
> need to solve the transport problem. It's kind of unique to yurts because
> it's possible and tempting to flap a stack of insulation boards on your roof
> rack and drive. They're light. But as noted, they're also fragile.
>
> Even though they're modular and collapsible, they do take up significant
> space in garages, etc.
>
> Conceptually simple solution: Store them more or less on the playa. As I
> understand it, many organized camps have storage containers left on adjacent
> non-BLM land which are transported to & from campsites for each year's burn
> by BLC "facilities" guys (someone help me out with their official name... and
> contact info, please).
>
> Real-world wrinkles: ..Attendance uncertainty,
> maintenance/repair/remodel/replace and on-playa logistics. None of that is
> easy, I got a little look at that by making almost 30 yurts, getting them to
> people (mostly on-playa), dealing with supplier delays, weather delays, entry
> delays, people not coming after all, unforeseen "variation" in user/owner
> setup and breakdown etc. Then, "What's worth saving?" - which means cleaning
> up dust, messed up tape, dings, etc. I'm pretty sure a significant
> percentage of yurts come out of the garage 5 years after their only burn and
> just land in the trash (carbon/general environmental footprint???).
>
> So it's not a "simple" solution. But is there a better one? It's certainly
> not a one solution fits all world either. Camps and other groups carefully
> collect yurts and put them in the camp storage. But not every camp does this
> for everyone all the time.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Dan
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:49 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://blog.burningman.com/2014/09/environment/moop-map-2014-roadside-poop-hexamoop/
>
> 'The second, more surprising 2014 trend: hexayurts. Large numbers
> of broken hexayurt panels wound up littering the highway, scattering
> little bits of styrofoam through the sage. Solution: Strap your hexayurt
> panels more carefully, so they won't bend and break when you hit
> highway speeds.
>
> "Wrap your yurts! They fly away, and once it hits the sagebrush,
> it's over," says Ninjalina, Highway Cleanup Assistant Manager. The
> prickly branches catch bits of foam and wood as they blow past in the
> wind, creating an extended trail of littered brush.
>
> "My truck alone picked up 64 contractor bags of trash, 30 tires,
> 20 yurt panels and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff," Ninjalina says.'
>
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