Is Thermax HD believed to be slightly better than Hunter XCI 286? To explain the increased cost, does it have a thicker layer of glass fiber foil that adds strength? Or is it pretty much the same thing?
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Adam Bregenzer <[email protected]> wrote: > No problem, we found it at a couple of places, it seems readily > available at commercial construction supply stores such as IDI < > http://idi-insulation.com/ > and Allied < > http://www.alliedbuilding.com/ >. Both were willing to sell over the > counter and kept the product in stock or within less than a week > delivery, they also were willing to deliver locally. > > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Really good to know about the Hunter XCI. Thank you for finding it, Adam and >> Hunter. >> >> Could somebody add it to the wiki? Do we have any more information on the >> supply chain, how to actually buy the stuff? Who's stocking it? >> >> V> >> >> -- >> Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Adam Bregenzer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> We couldn't find anyone who would sell Thermax HD unless we bought Dow's >>> entire minimum order from them, which is 1,100 sheets. >>> >>> The good news is we found an alternative panel, Hunter Xci 286 (link to >>> specs below). It has the same compressive strength and fire rating as >>> Thermax HD and is available in smaller quantities, also it's cheaper than >>> the quoted price for Thermax, but still relatively expensive at ~$33 / >>> sheet. The foil on both sides is a metal foil. One side is highly >>> reflective, the other is white. >>> >>> >>> http://www.hunterxci.com/images/submittal_docs/XCI_286_lit.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:50 AM, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> After months of searching we found out no one in the bay area will supply >>>> you with thermax hd (if you were buying less than 150 sheets). We went with >>>> Hunter xcl (?) which had similar fire properties. >>>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:40 AM, "Dan March" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Tim ~ I'm also concerned with safety and look for materials that >>>>> really do the job well.... and with a safety margin I'm comfortable with. >>>>> The theoretical fire-related risks in a yurt with aluminized interior >>>>> surface are scary with the lens effect and other concentrating potentials. >>>>> Even - or in some hypothetical cases - without the foam board itself >>>>> catching fire, just having any substantial amount of stuff burning in a >>>>> heat-concentrating structure can get pretty intense. Thinking of keeping >>>>> any flames out of there, myself. I like to cook but might have a >>>>> separate, >>>>> safer place to do it... also experimenting with more serious electrical >>>>> power and using non-flame cooking stuffs like induction - which looks >>>>> amazing btw. >>>>> >>>>> It appears to me that a well-constructed H15 (which, to me, means >>>>> mitered corners - which really improve the integrity of tape joints & >>>>> carrying through the structural properties of the skin over the foam, and >>>>> also means well tied down and weak points like doorways reinforced) made >>>>> => >>>>> 1.5" thick board should stand up to an acceptably high percentage of >>>>> possible weather on the playa. I don't think any weight difference is >>>>> practically significant. I can lift a whole H15 either way if it's a >>>>> package I can handle. >>>>> >>>>> I'm playing with Hexacomb board. It's quite a bit more rigid but needs >>>>> waterproofing and possibly some help with insulation & reflection. It's >>>>> pretty light and about half the price of HD. Also playing with hybrid >>>>> systems - board captured by EMT TinkerToy. Hard to price that kind of >>>>> stuff >>>>> though... more of an art statement you live in... >>>>> >>>>> Re group buys, Home Depot might special order HD in some quantity, but >>>>> probably not necessarily a huge amount, so I'm not counting that as much >>>>> of >>>>> a barrier. Costs a bit more but like you say... Either way, I can do >>>>> the >>>>> kits and accessories. >>>>> >>>>> ~ Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Tim <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We'd be interested in a group order as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm somewhat new to yurt building. I've read most of the guides but am >>>>>> yet to read up on true side-by-side comparisons of each type of material >>>>>> for >>>>>> playa use. I tend to "buy the best" if that makes sense, so I'm >>>>>> attracted to >>>>>> HD. That said, is it actually that much better on the playa? I'm also >>>>>> curious if it weighs much more, considering structural implications for >>>>>> an >>>>>> H15. Thanks for any insight. Count us in if this *is* the "best" option >>>>>> for >>>>>> the $$. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:00:20 AM UTC-7, BurnerDan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Safety is an issue. All campers need to be aware of the risks - >>>>>>> especially of fire - in sleeping in many Playa constructs, but yurts >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> special dangers because of their materials and tightness. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there any history of encouraging smoke alarm use and do any/all >>>>>>> such units remain reliable under Playa conditions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:06:59 AM UTC-8, Vinay Gupta wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They're tougher. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They're not that much more expensive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They won't catch fire. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I feel like this would be a great year to actually fix the supply >>>>>>>> chain issues around Thermax HD (or equivalents from other >>>>>>>> manufacturers), do >>>>>>>> a container load bulk purchase, and start moving people off R-MAX etc. >>>>>>>> until >>>>>>>> there's a comprehensive solution for the fire risk. I really want to >>>>>>>> solve >>>>>>>> this problem before somebody gets hurt. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt_Safety_Information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vinay >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Vinay Gupta >>>>>>>> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/gupta_arc - the Gupta State Failure Management Archive >>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/gupta_ark - or see it directly on Archive.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human sheltering >>>>>>>> http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture vision >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an >>>>>>>> invincible summer" - Albert Camus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Twitter/Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk/AIM: hexayurt >>>>>>>> UK Cell : +44 (0) 7500 895568 / USA VOIP (+1) 775-743-1851 >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "hexayurt" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "hexayurt" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "hexayurt" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hexayurt" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hexayurt" group. 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