I will commit to a share! I'm in Portland but can come down for them early July.
> On Mar 23, 2017, at 8:24 AM, hal muskat <[email protected]> wrote: > > I might have interest depending on costs . . . > > thank for doing this Kevin. > > AmSteel could have space as well as assembly space??? > > Hal >> On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> This sounds like a great plan. >> >> V> >> >> -- >> Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >> >>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Kevin Fischer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I asked Ashby Lumber for a quote for XCI 286 so waiting to hear back >>> from them. I'm happy to help organize a group buy, but don't have >>> warehouse storage space, just unsecure but in practice fine outdoor >>> yard space in South Berkeley where I can also host hexayurt build >>> sessions. Pretty sure we can get an order for 150 panels together, if >>> that's the minimum quantity to get great pricing. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter >>> Project) <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Very helpful note, DV. >>> > >>> > I'm going to be on the Playa this year. I'm very happy to go in on a >>> > purchase - I think we'd looking at about 32 to 35 panels. >>> > >>> > V> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com >>> > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>> > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >>> > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >>> > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >>> > >>> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:09 PM, D.V.Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I worked with Thermax CI for the DOMUS project which is the same as >>> >> Thermax HD except the external facer is blue instead of white. >>> >> >>> >> REF: http://domus.urbanaction.org >>> >> >>> >> Thermax CI and HD is designed to be exposed outdoors for 6-12 months and >>> >> has a great thermal rating and reasonable fire rating. >>> >> The increased price difference is because its DOW :( At the time i was >>> >> interested in using Hunter XCI but they didn't wish to communicate. >>> >> Thermax is expensive and difficult to source on the West Coast but I used >>> >> http://foamsalesandmarketing.com/ in Burbank, C.A. for supply. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Kevin Fischer <[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Is Thermax HD believed to be slightly better than Hunter XCI 286? To >>> >>> explain the increased cost, does it have a thicker layer of glass >>> >>> fiber foil that adds strength? Or is it pretty much the same thing? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Adam Bregenzer <[email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > No problem, we found it at a couple of places, it seems readily >>> >>> > available at commercial construction supply stores such as IDI < >>> >>> > http://idi-insulation.com/ > and Allied < >>> >>> > http://www.alliedbuilding.com/ >. Both were willing to sell over the >>> >>> > counter and kept the product in stock or within less than a week >>> >>> > delivery, they also were willing to deliver locally. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) >>> >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Really good to know about the Hunter XCI. Thank you for finding it, >>> >>> >> Adam and >>> >>> >> Hunter. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Could somebody add it to the wiki? Do we have any more information on >>> >>> >> the >>> >>> >> supply chain, how to actually buy the stuff? Who's stocking it? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> V> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> -- >>> >>> >> Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com >>> >>> >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>> >>> >> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >>> >>> >> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >>> >>> >> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Adam Bregenzer <[email protected]> >>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> We couldn't find anyone who would sell Thermax HD unless we bought >>> >>> >>> Dow's >>> >>> >>> entire minimum order from them, which is 1,100 sheets. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The good news is we found an alternative panel, Hunter Xci 286 (link >>> >>> >>> to >>> >>> >>> specs below). It has the same compressive strength and fire rating >>> >>> >>> as >>> >>> >>> Thermax HD and is available in smaller quantities, also it's cheaper >>> >>> >>> than >>> >>> >>> the quoted price for Thermax, but still relatively expensive at ~$33 >>> >>> >>> / >>> >>> >>> sheet. The foil on both sides is a metal foil. One side is highly >>> >>> >>> reflective, the other is white. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.hunterxci.com/images/submittal_docs/XCI_286_lit.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:50 AM, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> After months of searching we found out no one in the bay area will >>> >>> >>>> supply >>> >>> >>>> you with thermax hd (if you were buying less than 150 sheets). We >>> >>> >>>> went with >>> >>> >>>> Hunter xcl (?) which had similar fire properties. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:40 AM, "Dan March" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> Hey Tim ~ I'm also concerned with safety and look for materials >>> >>> >>>>> that >>> >>> >>>>> really do the job well.... and with a safety margin I'm >>> >>> >>>>> comfortable >>> >>> >>>>> with. >>> >>> >>>>> The theoretical fire-related risks in a yurt with aluminized >>> >>> >>>>> interior >>> >>> >>>>> surface are scary with the lens effect and other concentrating >>> >>> >>>>> potentials. >>> >>> >>>>> Even - or in some hypothetical cases - without the foam board >>> >>> >>>>> itself >>> >>> >>>>> catching fire, just having any substantial amount of stuff burning >>> >>> >>>>> in a >>> >>> >>>>> heat-concentrating structure can get pretty intense. Thinking of >>> >>> >>>>> keeping >>> >>> >>>>> any flames out of there, myself. I like to cook but might have a >>> >>> >>>>> separate, >>> >>> >>>>> safer place to do it... also experimenting with more serious >>> >>> >>>>> electrical >>> >>> >>>>> power and using non-flame cooking stuffs like induction - which >>> >>> >>>>> looks >>> >>> >>>>> amazing btw. >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> It appears to me that a well-constructed H15 (which, to me, means >>> >>> >>>>> mitered corners - which really improve the integrity of tape >>> >>> >>>>> joints >>> >>> >>>>> & >>> >>> >>>>> carrying through the structural properties of the skin over the >>> >>> >>>>> foam, and >>> >>> >>>>> also means well tied down and weak points like doorways >>> >>> >>>>> reinforced) >>> >>> >>>>> made => >>> >>> >>>>> 1.5" thick board should stand up to an acceptably high percentage >>> >>> >>>>> of >>> >>> >>>>> possible weather on the playa. I don't think any weight >>> >>> >>>>> difference >>> >>> >>>>> is >>> >>> >>>>> practically significant. I can lift a whole H15 either way if >>> >>> >>>>> it's >>> >>> >>>>> a >>> >>> >>>>> package I can handle. >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> I'm playing with Hexacomb board. It's quite a bit more rigid but >>> >>> >>>>> needs >>> >>> >>>>> waterproofing and possibly some help with insulation & reflection. >>> >>> >>>>> It's >>> >>> >>>>> pretty light and about half the price of HD. Also playing with >>> >>> >>>>> hybrid >>> >>> >>>>> systems - board captured by EMT TinkerToy. Hard to price that >>> >>> >>>>> kind >>> >>> >>>>> of stuff >>> >>> >>>>> though... more of an art statement you live in... >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> Re group buys, Home Depot might special order HD in some quantity, >>> >>> >>>>> but >>> >>> >>>>> probably not necessarily a huge amount, so I'm not counting that >>> >>> >>>>> as >>> >>> >>>>> much of >>> >>> >>>>> a barrier. Costs a bit more but like you say... Either way, I >>> >>> >>>>> can do the >>> >>> >>>>> kits and accessories. >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> ~ Dan >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Tim <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> We'd be interested in a group order as well. >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> I'm somewhat new to yurt building. I've read most of the guides >>> >>> >>>>>> but am >>> >>> >>>>>> yet to read up on true side-by-side comparisons of each type of >>> >>> >>>>>> material for >>> >>> >>>>>> playa use. I tend to "buy the best" if that makes sense, so I'm >>> >>> >>>>>> attracted to >>> >>> >>>>>> HD. That said, is it actually that much better on the playa? I'm >>> >>> >>>>>> also >>> >>> >>>>>> curious if it weighs much more, considering structural >>> >>> >>>>>> implications for an >>> >>> >>>>>> H15. Thanks for any insight. Count us in if this *is* the "best" >>> >>> >>>>>> option for >>> >>> >>>>>> the $$. >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:00:20 AM UTC-7, BurnerDan wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Safety is an issue. All campers need to be aware of the risks - >>> >>> >>>>>>> especially of fire - in sleeping in many Playa constructs, but >>> >>> >>>>>>> yurts have >>> >>> >>>>>>> special dangers because of their materials and tightness. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Is there any history of encouraging smoke alarm use and do >>> >>> >>>>>>> any/all >>> >>> >>>>>>> such units remain reliable under Playa conditions? >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:06:59 AM UTC-8, Vinay Gupta >>> >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> They're tougher. >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> They're not that much more expensive. >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> They won't catch fire. >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> I feel like this would be a great year to actually fix the >>> >>> >>>>>>>> supply >>> >>> >>>>>>>> chain issues around Thermax HD (or equivalents from other >>> >>> >>>>>>>> manufacturers), do >>> >>> >>>>>>>> a container load bulk purchase, and start moving people off >>> >>> >>>>>>>> R-MAX etc. until >>> >>> >>>>>>>> there's a comprehensive solution for the fire risk. I really >>> >>> >>>>>>>> want to solve >>> >>> >>>>>>>> this problem before somebody gets hurt. >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt_Safety_Information >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Vinay >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Vinay Gupta >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/gupta_arc - the Gupta State Failure Management >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Archive >>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/gupta_ark - or see it directly on Archive.org >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human >>> >>> >>>>>>>> sheltering >>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture >>> >>> >>>>>>>> vision >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in me >>> >>> >>>>>>>> an >>> >>> >>>>>>>> invincible summer" - Albert Camus >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> 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