I might have interest depending on costs . . . thank for doing this Kevin.
AmSteel could have space as well as assembly space??? Hal > On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This sounds like a great plan. > > V> > > -- > Vinay Gupta [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://re.silience.com <http://re.silience.com/> > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Kevin Fischer <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I asked Ashby Lumber for a quote for XCI 286 so waiting to hear back > from them. I'm happy to help organize a group buy, but don't have > warehouse storage space, just unsecure but in practice fine outdoor > yard space in South Berkeley where I can also host hexayurt build > sessions. Pretty sure we can get an order for 150 panels together, if > that's the minimum quantity to get great pricing. > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter > Project) <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Very helpful note, DV. > > > > I'm going to be on the Playa this year. I'm very happy to go in on a > > purchase - I think we'd looking at about 32 to 35 panels. > > > > V> > > > > -- > > Vinay Gupta [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://re.silience.com <http://re.silience.com/> > > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest > > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 <tel:%2B44%20%280%297500%20895568> > > Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt > > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was > > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:09 PM, D.V.Rogers <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> I worked with Thermax CI for the DOMUS project which is the same as > >> Thermax HD except the external facer is blue instead of white. > >> > >> REF: http://domus.urbanaction.org <http://domus.urbanaction.org/> > >> > >> Thermax CI and HD is designed to be exposed outdoors for 6-12 months and > >> has a great thermal rating and reasonable fire rating. > >> The increased price difference is because its DOW :( At the time i was > >> interested in using Hunter XCI but they didn't wish to communicate. > >> Thermax is expensive and difficult to source on the West Coast but I used > >> http://foamsalesandmarketing.com/ <http://foamsalesandmarketing.com/> in > >> Burbank, C.A. for supply. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Kevin Fischer <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Is Thermax HD believed to be slightly better than Hunter XCI 286? To > >>> explain the increased cost, does it have a thicker layer of glass > >>> fiber foil that adds strength? Or is it pretty much the same thing? > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Adam Bregenzer <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > No problem, we found it at a couple of places, it seems readily > >>> > available at commercial construction supply stores such as IDI < > >>> > http://idi-insulation.com/ <http://idi-insulation.com/> > and Allied < > >>> > http://www.alliedbuilding.com/ <http://www.alliedbuilding.com/> >. Both > >>> > were willing to sell over the > >>> > counter and kept the product in stock or within less than a week > >>> > delivery, they also were willing to deliver locally. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) > >>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Really good to know about the Hunter XCI. Thank you for finding it, > >>> >> Adam and > >>> >> Hunter. > >>> >> > >>> >> Could somebody add it to the wiki? Do we have any more information on > >>> >> the > >>> >> supply chain, how to actually buy the stuff? Who's stocking it? > >>> >> > >>> >> V> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Vinay Gupta [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> >> http://re.silience.com <http://re.silience.com/> > >>> >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest > >>> >> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 <tel:%2B44%20%280%297500%20895568> > >>> >> Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt > >>> >> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was > >>> >> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Adam Bregenzer <[email protected] > >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> We couldn't find anyone who would sell Thermax HD unless we bought > >>> >>> Dow's > >>> >>> entire minimum order from them, which is 1,100 sheets. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> The good news is we found an alternative panel, Hunter Xci 286 (link > >>> >>> to > >>> >>> specs below). It has the same compressive strength and fire rating as > >>> >>> Thermax HD and is available in smaller quantities, also it's cheaper > >>> >>> than > >>> >>> the quoted price for Thermax, but still relatively expensive at ~$33 > >>> >>> / > >>> >>> sheet. The foil on both sides is a metal foil. One side is highly > >>> >>> reflective, the other is white. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> http://www.hunterxci.com/images/submittal_docs/XCI_286_lit.pdf > >>> >>> <http://www.hunterxci.com/images/submittal_docs/XCI_286_lit.pdf> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:50 AM, "Hunter" <[email protected] > >>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> After months of searching we found out no one in the bay area will > >>> >>>> supply > >>> >>>> you with thermax hd (if you were buying less than 150 sheets). We > >>> >>>> went with > >>> >>>> Hunter xcl (?) which had similar fire properties. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:40 AM, "Dan March" <[email protected] > >>> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> Hey Tim ~ I'm also concerned with safety and look for materials > >>> >>>>> that > >>> >>>>> really do the job well.... and with a safety margin I'm comfortable > >>> >>>>> with. > >>> >>>>> The theoretical fire-related risks in a yurt with aluminized > >>> >>>>> interior > >>> >>>>> surface are scary with the lens effect and other concentrating > >>> >>>>> potentials. > >>> >>>>> Even - or in some hypothetical cases - without the foam board > >>> >>>>> itself > >>> >>>>> catching fire, just having any substantial amount of stuff burning > >>> >>>>> in a > >>> >>>>> heat-concentrating structure can get pretty intense. Thinking of > >>> >>>>> keeping > >>> >>>>> any flames out of there, myself. I like to cook but might have a > >>> >>>>> separate, > >>> >>>>> safer place to do it... also experimenting with more serious > >>> >>>>> electrical > >>> >>>>> power and using non-flame cooking stuffs like induction - which > >>> >>>>> looks > >>> >>>>> amazing btw. > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> It appears to me that a well-constructed H15 (which, to me, means > >>> >>>>> mitered corners - which really improve the integrity of tape joints > >>> >>>>> & > >>> >>>>> carrying through the structural properties of the skin over the > >>> >>>>> foam, and > >>> >>>>> also means well tied down and weak points like doorways reinforced) > >>> >>>>> made => > >>> >>>>> 1.5" thick board should stand up to an acceptably high percentage > >>> >>>>> of > >>> >>>>> possible weather on the playa. I don't think any weight difference > >>> >>>>> is > >>> >>>>> practically significant. I can lift a whole H15 either way if it's > >>> >>>>> a > >>> >>>>> package I can handle. > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> I'm playing with Hexacomb board. It's quite a bit more rigid but > >>> >>>>> needs > >>> >>>>> waterproofing and possibly some help with insulation & reflection. > >>> >>>>> It's > >>> >>>>> pretty light and about half the price of HD. Also playing with > >>> >>>>> hybrid > >>> >>>>> systems - board captured by EMT TinkerToy. Hard to price that kind > >>> >>>>> of stuff > >>> >>>>> though... more of an art statement you live in... > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> Re group buys, Home Depot might special order HD in some quantity, > >>> >>>>> but > >>> >>>>> probably not necessarily a huge amount, so I'm not counting that as > >>> >>>>> much of > >>> >>>>> a barrier. Costs a bit more but like you say... Either way, I > >>> >>>>> can do the > >>> >>>>> kits and accessories. > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> ~ Dan > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Tim <[email protected] > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> We'd be interested in a group order as well. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> I'm somewhat new to yurt building. I've read most of the guides > >>> >>>>>> but am > >>> >>>>>> yet to read up on true side-by-side comparisons of each type of > >>> >>>>>> material for > >>> >>>>>> playa use. I tend to "buy the best" if that makes sense, so I'm > >>> >>>>>> attracted to > >>> >>>>>> HD. That said, is it actually that much better on the playa? I'm > >>> >>>>>> also > >>> >>>>>> curious if it weighs much more, considering structural > >>> >>>>>> implications for an > >>> >>>>>> H15. Thanks for any insight. Count us in if this *is* the "best" > >>> >>>>>> option for > >>> >>>>>> the $$. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:00:20 AM UTC-7, BurnerDan wrote: > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Safety is an issue. All campers need to be aware of the risks - > >>> >>>>>>> especially of fire - in sleeping in many Playa constructs, but > >>> >>>>>>> yurts have > >>> >>>>>>> special dangers because of their materials and tightness. > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Is there any history of encouraging smoke alarm use and do > >>> >>>>>>> any/all > >>> >>>>>>> such units remain reliable under Playa conditions? > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:06:59 AM UTC-8, Vinay Gupta > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> They're tougher. > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> They're not that much more expensive. > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> They won't catch fire. > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> I feel like this would be a great year to actually fix the > >>> >>>>>>>> supply > >>> >>>>>>>> chain issues around Thermax HD (or equivalents from other > >>> >>>>>>>> manufacturers), do > >>> >>>>>>>> a container load bulk purchase, and start moving people off > >>> >>>>>>>> R-MAX etc. until > >>> >>>>>>>> there's a comprehensive solution for the fire risk. 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