Colin, I as have said before, almost all the important "bad" notes from the equally tempered instuments are sharp to the just tempered instrument
You simply tune your notes "on the fly" by increasing (mostly) or decreasing (rarely) key pressure Use your ears !! This assumes that you have set your HG tuning up properly, i.e. not with the keys fully depressed You need to setup the tuning with the keys significantly less than fully depressed This makes for a much easier, lighter touch and gives you adequate pressure/pitch adjustment You only really need to do it with longer sustained notes, particularily with cadences Graham -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Colin Sent: 17 June 2008 18:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HG] Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Intonation and tuning I agree. The short answer to "how do I play along with other instruments" (of the fixed-pitch type generally talked about, of course) is either "you don't" or "badly". ;-) Of course it's possible but needs fiddling with the tunings all around. Whether it's worth it depends on your own, personal views, I suppose. I have certainly played drone instruments (mainly NSP) with other non-drone instruments. Depending on the notes used, one can sometimes get away with a lot (like not playing a certain melody note that clashes badly) but playing something else instead and, often, getting away with it. Luck of the draw. Colin Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reymen Marc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Intonation and tuning > > Hello all, > Up to me (Who is that?) one has to chose to play on an instrument whith > drones like on a Hg and play "drone music" and hence not temepered or > tempered music (together whith other not drone instruments) and to tune > tempered but without drones.... > Or is this to simple??? > Marc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [HG] Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Intonation and tuning > > >> Of course, there is also the "your fault" method. >> That's glaring at the guitar player etc when you hear an odd sound :) >> Colin Hill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jens Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [HG] Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Intonation and tuning >> >> >>> >>> I have the same problem, I also play in G, C, D both minor and major. It >>> is for example not possible to tune the A exactly to G, C and D, which >>> gives especially problems if I use matching drones. For a long time I >>> tried to find the best compromise (always depending on the music I >>> played during a period), but meanwhile I prefer to use a temperated >>> tuning with a few exeptions (e.g. the e matching exactly to c). It gives >>> less fun to play barock-music but makes life easier and most of the >>> auditory doesn't realise the difference. >>> >>> I never had special problems playing with other melody instrumenst as >>> flute, recorder, violin, ... no matter wheter I play equal or temperated >>> tuned. >>> >>> But in my experience drone instuments don't fit well with guitar (rhythm >>> not picking) - there are always a lot of queer notes resulting from the >>> guitar's chords and the drones. If I play together with guitar I sense >>> the sound very "swampy". By time I have a trio with violin/viola and >>> cello, a combination I like very much. >>> >>> What are your experiences? >>> >>> Jens >>> >>> >>> >>> Augusto de Ornellas Abreu schrieb: >>>> One thing I never understood quite well, and I have asked and no one >>>> ever gave me a straight answer... >>>> For my particular situation, in which I am going to play in a band >>>> with the following instruments >>>> acoustic guitar >>>> bass (either bass acoustic guitar or eletric bass) >>>> silver flute >>>> recorder or clarinet or tinwhistle (one of them, since it's the same >>>> player!) >>>> violin (probably tuned in just/perfect fifths) >>>> voice >>>> (percussion) >>>> and provided I stick to regular HG tunes in G major, G minor (both >>>> with a D trompette), C major and C minor (both with a C trompette - I >>>> have a capo on my trompette for that), and maybe D and D minor >>>> (disengaging the G and g chanterelles, engaging the D chanterelle (3rd >>>> chanterelle) and playing with a D trompette and raising a drone to D) >>>> Can I tune my HG to just temperment and still play this standard HG >>>> tunes with my mates? Remember, the two other main melodic instruments - >>>> the violin (in perfect fifths) and the flute - are pretty fluid in >>>> intonation, but the guitar and the bass aren't that much because of the >>>> frets... >>>> Will we sound better than if I just give up and accept the >>>> imperfection of equal temperment? >>>> I like Graham's article a lot and I intend to experiment just >>>> temperment on myself, but I want to know if I will sound any better in >>>> the band using these adjustments. >>>> Cheers >>>> Augusto Ornellas >>>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Graham Whyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You could also look at my paper >>>> "Tuning and Temperament" >>>> I presented it at the 2002 Over the Water Festival >>>> Discussion of the advantages of not using Equal Temperament on the >>>> Hurdy >>>> Gurdy. >>>> Includes instructions for setting Just Temperament with a standard >>>> tuning >>>> meter >>>> >>>> You can find it at >>>> http://www.hurdygurdy.org/resources.html >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <mailto:HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <mailto:HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk>]On Behalf Of Steve >>>> Evans >>>> Sent: 13 June 2008 13:51 >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <mailto:HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> >>>> Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Intonation and tuning >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> for those of you with an interest in intonation in relation to the >>>> hurdy gurdy, I've just come across a top article on the web.It >>>> includes a vey practical hands-on guide. 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