I'd be in favor of HiveMind as a TLP. With the move to Maven 2 builds (I'm working on that for HiveMind right now), the hierarchical structure matters less. Maven makes everything flat.
The advantage of TLP is: - Ability to apply coding and community standards across related HiveMind projects - Ability to scope individual developers to individual HiveMind sub projects Am I missing anything? Moving HiveMind under Tapestry; really, moving HiveMind's sub-projects under Tapestry as Tapestry sub-projects, would only have simplified the buerocratic hassle. I think if we have a seperate chair for HiveMind, and not the same person (ye gods!) then there's no reason to move under Tapestry. On 3/17/06, James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, with Hen's (and the rest of youg) help, I'm sure I can handle it. I'm > willing to throw my hat in the ring. I really think HiveMind deserves to be > a stand-alone project. So, should we go ahead and start a vote to move to > TLP? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:06 AM > To: hivemind-dev@jakarta.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC? > > You have my +1 as a chair too. > > Jakarta is a very bad example of the role of a chair - umbrellas > create a lot of bureacracy and I make the mistake of letting myself > get sucked into it. > > Ideally the chair role is: > > 1) Organizing the move to TLP. Howard's going through this one at the > moment. It's basically a set of infra requests and tasks. I'm > semi-Infra nowadays, so can help move these things along if you nudge > me. First off though: Have a vote to move to TLP, have 3 Jakarta PMC > members on that vote, inform the PMC. Then write a resolution (copy > Tapestry's) that I can submit to the board. > > 2) Subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] As with any list it goes through > ups and downs in terms of noise. Currently it's quite quiet. > > 3) Sending in a board report every three months (every month for the > first three months). In the case of tight TLP, like > hivemind.apache.org, this is an easy thing to do (I think). You know > what's going on and you don't have to spend weeks chasing up on > things, you just sit down and write it, let the PMC see the draft a > little bit in advance and send it in. They're often about 6 lines > long, not the behemoth that the Jakarta report is. > > It's really not that big a deal. I'll also be joining the pmc list > (unless you'd prefer me not to) and can help out if you hit any > issues. > > Hen > > On 3/16/06, James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, I guess my reluctant hand-raise has been taken as a nomination. > What > > is involved in being a TLP chair? > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:10 PM > > To: hivemind-dev@jakarta.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC? > > > > > > > > > > I agree, other than the issue of finding a chair I can't see a reason for > it > > to be under Tapestry. I am sorry, currently I am scrambling for time and > > with a baby on the way I don't think its going to get any better. I see > > James has volunteered and fully support him +1. > > > > -Harish > > > > > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta. > > > > However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair. > > I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating > > the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we > > would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair > > for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP. > > > > It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry > > TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking > > features derive from HiveMind". > > > > On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject. > > > > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web > > applications > > > > only. > > > > > > That's fair. > > > Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the > > > deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as > > > a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta > > > ones. > > > > > > Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply > > > great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having > > > HiveMind inside. > > > > > > As always my 2 cents > > > -- > > > Massimo > > > http://meridio.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Howard M. 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