There's a distinction between a meaningful amount of output for warnings, assertions and whatnot, and so much output that it becomes indecipherable, i.e. noise. Why not throw in a whole bunch of BEL characters to get a makeshift fire alarm, too? IMO, just print a single line as a clue and be done with it because if every single warning had to fight amongst one another for visiblity, then we'd be hardly any better off than where we're at now.[/Off-Topic] Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:20:26 -0500 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Dedicated servers not connectable at all, listenservers are not registered with the master servers
YOU ARE WRONG. If a silent command activation can drop a multiplayer server from showing up in the global list, it needs to be disabled or have massive warnings, when it is activated. Rule of Repair: When you must fail, fail noisily and as soon as possible. To do otherwise is a sin, because it will cost hundreds of server hosts and mod programmers dozens of manhours in an attempt to "fix" the problem with "commentary 1". Because "commentary 1" should never be enabled in a multiplayer server, "commentary 1" SHOULD HAVE EPIC CONSOLE WARNINGS. "commentary 1" MUST HAVE CONSOLE WARNINGS. IF "commentary 1" WILL DISABLE MULTIPLAYER LISTEN SERVERS SHOWING UP IN SERVER BROWSER. IT MUST HAVE CONSOLE WARNINGS. Do you know how many manhours are wasted on trying to get listen servers to showup in the server browser? CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE? Warnings are the key to sucessful coding, and debugging. THE KEY. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Kyle Sanderson <[email protected]> wrote: The last thing we need is more garbage warnings in the console. There are already a plethora of bogus DevWarning's using Warning, it should most likely remain silent. Many other "Warnings" should be silent in release mode as well. No multiplayer server should ever be in commentary; in TF there was an exploit where a client could switch the server into commentary mode, which sets sv_cheats to 1. Thanks, Kyle. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Jan Hartung <[email protected]> wrote: TF2 and CS:S show the same behavior. A warning in the console sounds like a good idea. Jan Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Nick Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. September 2013 15:53 An: Discussion of Half-Life Programming Betreff: Re: [hlcoders] Dedicated servers not connectable at all, listenservers are not registered with the master servers commentary "1" ????? prevents listen servers from showing up in server browser? needs to have a console warning immediately(if commentary "1") !!!(only valve can do this from the engine level)) jan can you test this in maybe a tf2 server or css to see if those are impacted as well? On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Jan Hartung <[email protected]> wrote: I finally found what’s causing the issue and wanted to share the solution with you. At this point, prepare to facepalm. So I thought it might be a good idea to use our .dlls with the sample game files and the sample .dlls with our game files. With the result that our .dlls with the sample game files makes the server show up, the sample .dlls with our game files still shows the issue. There’s actually not much left which could possibly cause the issue, so I tested around with the resource and script folders with no success. Next up was the config.cfg: backed it and the config_default.cfg up and started a new server �C which showed up in the browser. A quick comparison between the newly written config.cfg and my backup of the original file brought up just one possible line. For some reason this line ended up in my original file: commentary "1" Setting this back to 0 makes the server show up (and the heartbeat command work of course). This is the point where you facepalm ;) Anyway, maybe after all this does require a fix to “Source SDK Base 2013 Multiplayer” as the corresponding stand-alone dedicated server seems to ignore this setting (remember, both installs use the exact same game files on my system here). So thanks again to everyone involved in fixing the original and actual issue, hopefully the betas will becomes release versions soon. Jan Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Jan Hartung Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. September 2013 14:09 An: 'Discussion of Half-Life Programming' Betreff: Re: [hlcoders] Dedicated servers not connectable at all, listenservers are not registered with the master servers @Ryan: there’s no sv_master_legacy_mode in the 2013 SDK anymore, so that’s not the issue. @Edward: I send the heartbeat manually when the server is already running, at the moment there’s no server.cfg at all. Both the listen server and dedicated server are running on Windows, where the dedicated server (downloaded via SteamCMD) is able to find the sourcemods directory and displays the available mods without the need for copying the files over to the server directory. Which makes it even more funny, as my dedicated and listen server use the exact same files so for both there is no server.cfg. But only the listen server does not register with the master servers and does nothing when I run "heartbeat" from the console. The dedicated server on the other hand does react to the command by sending out a network packet. Jan Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Edward Phillips Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. September 2013 04:13 An: Discussion of Half-Life Programming Betreff: Re: [hlcoders] Dedicated servers not connectable at all, listenservers are not registered with the master servers Did you add heartbeat to the startup commands? Or send the command when it's already running On 14/09/2013, at 4:04 AM, "Jan Hartung" <[email protected]> wrote: The firewall is open, port forwarding is configured correctly as well. I’m running the dedicated server (using the very same .dll files) on the same box for testing and it shows up just fine in the server browser(s). Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Tony "omega" Sergi Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. September 2013 21:26 An: Discussion of Half-Life Programming Betreff: Re: [hlcoders] Dedicated servers not connectable at all, listenservers are not registered with the master servers Your firewall is open?Your router is forwarding the correct ports? On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Jan Hartung <[email protected]> wrote: sv_lan is set correctly and a heartbeat is sent as well, so that cannot cause the issue. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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