Rob, I don't know much bout HT but I do know that MP will help HLDS for the simple reason that there are always a 100 or so OS threads,
Lets say that HLDS.exe calls an API to transmit a block of data out of an existing UDP socket (to a client's PC for example). Several threads not related to HLDS.exe will transition to Kernel mode to handle this so having two or more processors WILL make a difference. You will be able to simultaneously run one thread per processor. Besides there ARE more than one thread in HLDS.exe and not just one thread does most of the work. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Harwood Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? The game is essentially single threaded, multiple processors/hyperthreading will have minimal effect on performance. Performance may increase on a multiprocessor setup in that the overall amount of available CPU power is increased so tasks can be serviced better (obviously two processors of a certain speed are better than one if the same speed), but you wont see any major impact, and with hyperthreading even less so. With HL(DS) you want to be thinking less in terms of threads and more in terms of how busy the processors are overall. -- Rob -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: 24 June 2004 18:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... One OS and one APP thread. It's mo better Same I think with HT in a P4 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for the other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But simply having 5 threads that exist doesn't neceesarrly mean it's going to take advatage of MP or HT neccessarly.) -----Original Message----- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Dave, When your HLDS.exe is running, Get a process viewer and you will see more than one thread for the HLDS.exe process. Last time I looked I counted three threads when it was fully up. Anyone else know how many threads? Is my memory old? Besides, there are always OS threads (about a hundred or so) and HT would still help any box. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with it. Dave -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Someone just posted an Intel link in this very thread, just a couple of days ago, which stated "Intel recommends HT be turned off in the bios for w2k machines". I am not that familiar with HT but as I understand it, it was supposed to replace multi processor (which was popular in Pentium 3). The Pentium 4 supposedly can not be easily multi processored and a departure was made from multi P to this HT technique where by a single P4 can execute multiple threads? I think this would help any app with more than one thread (which HLDS of course has several threads). -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:07 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Yes service pack 4 did address as I recall one tiny issue with HT. win2k however does not take advantage of HT reguardless. I think someone mentioned that it didn't 'support' it, what they meant was it didn't take advantage of it, not that there were problems with in on win2k. Not sure really why we're talking about this as HT doesn't help hlds much if at all, infact there was some discussion last year on this list that seemed to indicate it hurt more then helped. (now if your running hlds and many other items on the box..yeah it might help you.) btw intel does not go around telling people to disable HT on win2k boxes, that's not to say however that in same rare cases it can be benificial, such as dedicated gaming server systems. -----Original Message----- From: David Fencik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I thought this was addressed in one of the service packs. Why anyone would want to run hyperthreading for gameservers is a mystery to me. Dave -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Intel says to disable HT if u run w2k. There are know issues. The code IS not optimized for HT ... HT did not exist when w2k was written. I had problems with my new dell server running w2k and Dell told me to disable. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guido Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? In Greg's post it didn't state if Win2kPro supported HT. Does it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "[YG]Sharza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: SV: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > nope, 2k does not support hyperthreading > Yes it does, but you would require a version licensed for more > processors than would make sense > comparing cost to performance. > > > as for whoever said xp for win servers, i would like u to send me > > some of > > that fine jamacian weed you're smoking, cuz im out at the moment. > You have no clue what you are talking about, get your knowledge to a reasonable level, and point out > the facts on which you build your above statement. If not, quit > insulting people by being > "better-knowing" when in fact you are immensely wrong! > > Stick with Greg's post, as he is right, and everybody stating anything else is wrong! Obviously > somebody denies the facts in this thread. > > For my part, it's closed, he's questions have been answered, and again this has gone way too far off > original topic! > > L8r, > Sharza > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.706 / Virus Database: 462 - Release Date: 14-06-2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
