Probbably because of the scale involved in doing this.
How many ppl have steam accounts hmm too many.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Whisper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?


Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security
please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their
STEAM_ID system?

Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID
database?

Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users?

Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately
on their STEAM User database or not?

Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that
were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to
be?

From my basic knowledge of databases and network security all this
should be extremely simple to setup and secure and the database would
not ever be that large (10 million records is nothing in the scheme of
databases) and no matter what is occurring on the client (which is how
nosteam works AFAIK it is all client side) it should be damn simple to
stop illegitimate users connecting or at least staying connected to a
server if the correct procedures were put in place!

Anybody got any reason why this would be a difficult thing to do?

Anybody got any insights into how nosteam works and why it's so
difficult for Valve to block its use?

Nobody I have spoken to about this issue who knows anything about
databases, database & network security understands when I put to them
the scenario, why this is a problem.


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:57:26 -0700, Alex Herlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Haha yea...

I am very pissed that Valve hasn't had more support for Steam related
technology since the release of Half-Life 2... I mean Steam has been
buggy
and weird in general, and had poor anti-cheat protection for a while
now...
but now that I've forked over $60 for half-life 2, I kind of expect a lot
of
these things to be resolved by now, or being fixed very quickly as we
speak.

Don't get me wrong, I see the potential of steam as being something
really
great.. but right now with the flakey friends network being practically
unusable, and no anti-cheat/hack protection, its all totally worthless...

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

You must not forget to get the media involved (c-net, zd-net, abc, cbs,
post, times, etc..).  Only then will it truly work.

Happy Holidays

Andrew R. Mitcham wrote:

>I'm all for a shut down of my servers in protest. I think I have bitched
>and moaned about the negligence of VAC for years... and every time I do,
>someone says "Oh, they are working on it... be patient". 2 years
>later... MORE hackers than pre-steam.
>
>I participate in Steambans.com (I'm ranked #1 on there :D) which was
>great for a while. But now that I hear people can get a new STEAMID so
>easily, I have noticed return hackers... especially the ones that have
>the name changing script.
>
>While all of us stopping our servers for a day is a small percentage,
>I'm pretty sure we are the owners of some of the BETTER pubs out there.
>I know my CSDM server is hugely popular and its absence for a day would
>cause a lot of people to wonder. Multiply that by everyone on this list
>(OK, not everyone) it could cause a little publicity.
>
>We should email fan sites (csnation.net, hlfallout.net, halflife2.net,
>etc) and let them know that this event may occur and the reason why.
>
>Seriously, SOMETHING needs to be done and I won't take "someone is
>working on it" for an answer by someone who doesn't work for VALVe.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:25 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
>
>IMO, this Friday is too soon, we need some organization and lots of
>folks (web sites) to spread the word
>
>Happy Holidays
>
>K. Mike Bradley wrote:
>
>
>
>>It wont hurt and it mite send a message.
>>There has been a discussion for over 8 months now so that don't work
>>
>>
>...
>
>
>>Show some solidarity admins!
>>
>>DO SOMETHING TO BREAK THE IMPASSE!
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:38 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
>>
>>Thats just it, you won't hear a peep from them!  On a serious note, I
>>
>>
>am
>
>
>>open to "anything" that would work.
>>
>>Happy Holidays
>>
>>J Marcus wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Nah that is not the answer..it would just help the empty servers. Why
>>>
>>>
>not
>
>
>>>have a open discussion about it on this mailing list. Not looking to
>>>
>>>
>go
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>into
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>anything specific but to have absolutely no response or participation
>>>
>>>
>in
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>dialog from Valve just doesn't sit well with me. Or did I miss
>>>
>>>
>something..
>
>
>>>jefe
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:00 PM
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
>>>
>>>Mike, a day is not enough, lets say a week!
>>>
>>>K. Mike Bradley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>If you server admins really wanted to do something stop your servers
>>>>
>>>>
>for
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>one
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>day ... Lets say this Friday.
>>>>
>>>>See what Valve does then.
>>>>
>>>>
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