Nashalife | Newbie wrote:
DT, my friend, you are wrong twice in your messages.
First, the server draws the frame based on information it has and doesn't
really care about you ping at that time. The information about
player's ping
is used to calculate hit registration but it has nothing to do with
lag. If
you want details, some very comprehensive researches about it
available at
Valve Dev community wiki and in Steampowered forums. High ping players do
not cause lag and there's no way thet actualy can.
Second, you seem to have forgot that not everyone lives in US, UK or
other
location with broadly available cheap DSL lines. You might be
surprised to
know that there are places where DSL would cost you about 1000 USD/month
(that one thousand, not typo) and there are other places, where DSL is
not
an option at all and dial-up is the only way to get into internet.
Cheers,
Newbie
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From: "DT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] High Ping Players Lag Server?
Brian M Frain (eternal) wrote:
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I play on dial-up all the time, no lag caused by me being there.
Someone
is
feeding you a line. Now I will say that people who have serious lag do
cause
issues. They hop all over and are almost impossible to hit but that is
someone with a +500 ping. I get around 2-300 and when I am lucky it
is in
the 100's.
On 5/3/06, L.o.D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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I recently was in a tfc server, not same game but same engine, and
there
was
a player with a constant 3000+ ping & the server never lagged once.
I believe that to be a farce that laggers lag a server.
-------Original Message-------
From: Steve Dawson
Date: 05/03/06 18:27:43
To: [email protected]
Subject: [hlds] High Ping Players Lag Server?
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Hi, do hi pinging players lag a cs 1.6 server. It would make sense to
me.
This is what i heard:
Laggers DO Lag the Server:
Because of the way hlds deals with lag compensation, players that are
lagging on the server actually really do lag the entire server.
This is
because if the server has to wait for data from all players on the
server
before it can calculate each frame. So if everyone on the server has
under
50 ping except 1 person with 200 ping, the server has to wait an extra
150
ms per frame it calculates. This is why I highly reccomend a high ping
kicker set to kick anybody with over 100 ping.
Thanks
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I'm sorry that you cannot afford 12.99 to 17.99 a month for DSL. I bet
you use dial-up because of that reason only. You are wrong when you say
"you don't cause lag" you do. I have used dial-up, and every time I did
I was told that I lagged the server. I have DSL now. I see it all the
time when the speeds are good because everyone has Broadband and one guy
who is too cheap to buy broadband, comes in with 300 ping and lags the
whole thing. We have been playing without lag for an hour, all of a
sudden huge lag, over and over and over. A guy came on with 250 ping.
Once he leaves it's back to perfect for another hour till the next cheap
skate comes in.
One person with 200-300 ping does wreak the fun of the other 30 players
because he is too cheap. If it were reversed and I was doing that to
you? Or something similar at your work or home I'm sure you would be
one of those cursing too. Why is it fair that because you don't have
dsl we all have to suffer?
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Well I've only been playing since '99 with beta .9. I guess that is why
your calling me newbie? Because I've only seen it happen a million
times. I say it does and it is a matter of common sense. You have the
server (1 computer) that is interacting with let's say 30 clients. So
29 of those are running at a ping rate of under 50 and 1 at 300. Your
telling me that when I hit the 300 ping guy with 3 hs in a row that he's
300 ping has registered my hits? Or that his 1 hs on me 300 ms ago
would not affect the other 4 people that are shooting at him at the same
time? Like in a room with 6 people all shooting at each other. The
server has to register all hits. Since his are registering 6 times later
than the rest of ours, the server has to "lag" to update "all" of the
information. I tell you what REAL NOOB, you show me how it's possible
NOT to lag with the situation that I just explained? Oh! and the 56
k'ers can go to a server where there are other 56 K'ers just like I did
when I was on modem. Why am I and the other 28 guys who have broadband
penalized because 1 Austrian guy wants to play with us instead of his
own kind?
I am eagerly anticipating your reply so we can see who the real NOOB is.
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