-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This is the Windows HLDS list right?
You all hate me btw, or so I am told. On 8/8/06, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please excuse my unsolicited (and lengthy) comments... I believe both > sides of this discussion have valid points but we would all be better > off if we stopped flaming each other and just stuck to pertinent > comments, pro or con as it were. > > I too believe Valve does an excellent job but I have also been extremely > frustrated by (some) updates that are as likely to introduce a problem > as they are to fix one. Could I do it better than Valve? Probably > not... but I couldn't perform my own brain surgery either... that > doesn't mean I'd accept poor brain surgery from my brain surgeon. > > One of the U.S. Astronauts upon landing on the Moon described the scene > as "Magnificent Desolation"... at times that's how I feel about > Microsoft. It's truly magnificent in it's scope and it has improved > immeasurably over the years but it's glaring weakness relative to > security more often than not creates problems for the average user while > barely slowing down those with malevolent intent. On the stability > front... the average (and even above average) PC user today appears to > be unaware that you should "never" require an unscheduled re-boot a > computer... that a re-boot is indicative of a serious problem that the > OS didn't handle properly. > > Microsoft's extremely useful XP feature... Restore Points... is > basically an admission that they can't stop malicious code, so the next > best thing is to keep a snapshot of the system at various points in > order to turn back time to a point before the problem. Not a bad idea > given the porous nature of the OS... but what does it tell you about > Microsoft's ability to prevent the problem in the first place? > > Can any of you professional IT guys out there imagine a scenario by > which you needed to re-boot your mainframe or even your mid-range > computers on a regular basis? Such a condition would never be tolerated > in a professional, mission critical environment... but with PC's, it's > expected. This may be the root reason why so many Unix guys can't stand > Microsoft... Unix is more a mainframe OS (but can run on a PC) and as > such appeals more to the mainframe mentality of 100% availability 100% > of the time but Microsoft is exclusively a PC OS and must hold sway to a > wider variety of operator capabilities... including your aunt Tessi who > has trouble with left handed door knobs. > > So we have two distinct and different OS environments, each with it's > strengths and weakness, being compared in a head-to-head competition > which neither can win on merit alone. In the final analysis personal > preference and professional experience should be your guide. In my > opinion Valve should be commended for even attempting to accommodate the > two disparate environments and I both applaud their excellent efforts > and encourage them to continue to improve their offerings as they have > consistently done in the past. > > Thanks for listening... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Sdk update > > > Adam it was a point not that it actually happens. But if i used windows > on my desktop it would be expected that i bought a virus scanner @ about > £50, spyware/malware protection @ about £20 - £30, an office suite > (microsoft would prefer it it if was ms office too) @ £500+ depending on > the flavour. > > With linux all i have to do is spend about an hour d/ling a distro off > the net. I then spend 45 mins installing it and bob's your uncle fully > working os with office suite and more tools that i care to mention (that > would cost hundreds of pounds to get a similar amount for windows) > that's virtually virus proof and no one bothers writing malware for > because they won't be able to get it to run on the remote system. > > Adam Sando wrote: > > Dave, you obviously do not know the first thing about managing servers > > running Windows Operating Systems. If your machine is being "trashed" > by > > spyware/malware/etc-ware, and you need to re-install it every week, > > perhaps you need to do two things: > > 1. Stop installing un-trusted junk on your server > > 2. Learn how to admin a Windows server/desktop, so you can fix your > > stupid mistakes made in point #1 above. > > > > Servers installed by me back when Windows 2000 first came out, are > still > > running with the same crusty version of Windows 2000 quite happily. > This > > is primarily because I don't install every piece of junk on them, and > > use a UAT-esque system for testing new application deployments. This, > I > > would have thought, would be considered best practice - and as part of > > your UAT phase, you would discover things like "oh wow this cool > server > > tool installs bonzi buddy as part of its package. I better not put > that > > on my production system". > > > > All you have shown Dave, is ignorance. > > > > Oh, and please do not flame me coz im 12 and uber leet lololol rofl > etc > > etc. > > > > Regards, > > Adam > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim Barelds > > Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2006 1:32 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Sdk update > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Dave, shut up. > Windows > > has been improving siginificantly in terms os stability and security. > > The only one being significantly ignorant here is you and your linux > > fan-boy-ish ass. > > A) Linux distributions also have security issues > > B) Linux distributions are also released with major bugs. > > C) Microsoft shouldn't have to pay the bill your your lacking abbility > > of maintaining a computer. > > > > Alfred has already said that the supposed "error", was not an error > but > > was in fact simply a change. > > Your "they can't support both" statement clearly is built on pretty > much > > nothing. On top of that SrcDS.exe and the Source SDK both cost you no > > money what-so-ever. Valve owes you nothing. > > This includes, but is not limited to; Valve doesn't owe you a bug-free > > SDK. > > > > On 8/8/06, Dave Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> this is a quote from the link bush gave . > >> > >> At Microsoft's Tech Ed conference in Amsterdam on Wednesday, a > session > >> > > > > > >> was devoted to how, according to one Microsoft fan at least, the > Linux > >> > > > > > >> kernel is beginning to resemble, well -- Windows. > >> > >> that person is a blithering idiot. the 2 os's are aimed at two very > >> different markets. the fact that he claims the gap in securtiy in the > >> two is closing is laughable. Microsoft couldn't build a secure safe, > >> let alone an operating system. > >> > >> that whole article served only one purpose. to try and rubbish linux > >> to the home windows user. tbf until microsoft actually produces a > >> product that > >> > >> A) has a security system that can be trusted > >> > >> B) isn't released with major bugs in it > >> > >> C) generally works with out me having to spend hundreds if not > >> thousands of pounds a year extra to keep my machine in a state where > i > >> > > > > > >> don't have to format the hard drive every week just so i know there > >> isn't any lingering malware/spyware hiding deep down in the os. i'll > >> stick to my linux box. > >> > >> One of the reasons i switched was because i had had enough of > ignorant > >> > > > > > >> bastards such as yourself pushing windows even with all its major > >> flaws, trying to persuade ppl that even though it [windows] is > >> blatantly inadequate, it is a better product that everything else. > >> > >> Once again MS has succeeded in brain washing another poor innocent. > Go > >> > > > > > >> back to your beloved pile of shite and keep you opinions to yourself. > >> > >> Nobody like being attacked for voicing their views and doug didn't > >> deserve it, he made a valid point. how did you like being flamed for > >> being an incorrect, arrogant knob? not fun was it? > >> > >> Bush wrote: > >> > >>> Here you got mr. know-it-all; read this. > >>> > >>> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39159290,00.htm > >>> > >>> Just to give you a little more of an idea why its so difficult to > >>> manage > >>> > >> and > >> > >>> debug such a huge project as this. > >>> > >>> Next time do a little more research before you come looking for > >>> cattle > >>> > >> to > >> > >>> slaughter mr. map maker. > >>> > >>> BTW.. aren't there enough maps for this game already? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >>> > >> please visit: > >> > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >> > > > > > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
