-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Perhaps Valve can vac ban Net Cafe accounts immediately instead of delayed banning them.
That would solve 1 problem. :) Or even better for us and most pub players, if net cafe gets vac banned on a reduced delay, say a few hours, then the whole netcafe gets locked out. That would sure incentivize (did I just make a word upo then?) Net Cafes to keep their machines cheat free! Cheers On 9/10/07, Adam Sando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Agreed. It is a server operators right to ban based on a clients > behaviour. If that client happens to share an IP with many other people, > then it is not the server operators problem, really. > > It's like workplace policies that seem to appear, such as when one > person decides he will start calling in sick on Monday's and Fridays, so > the workplace puts in a policy to enforce doctors certificates for all > sick days, period. The blanket approach will cover every staff member, > even those that are doing the right thing, however it means that the > sick days are then controlled to minimise unproductive workers. The hard > part is then managing the negative repercussions that follow afterwards > - same as with the IP ban example above. > > Regards, > Adam. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper > Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 2:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; HLDS > Subject: [hlds] Reducing Cheats on Servers > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > The following is only our point of view, your mileage may vary. > > It is becoming increasingly apparent to us that the majority of the > cheats > we see on our Counter-Strike:Source servers are coming from NetCafe > Accounts. > > VAC for the most part seems to be working as a deterrent to the majority > of > normal users. I do not have access to VAC banning stats, but for all I > know > it maybe banning boatloads of players. > > The main problem here is, VAC's delayed banning system has no effect > whatsoever on NetCafe Accounts, as it is a simple case for a NetCafe > users > to log out of the STEAM account they are using at the NetCafe and then > log > back in when they have been banned from a server by an admins and renter > the > server with a new STEAM_ID, and in any case, who cares about being VAC > banned if you effectively have unlimited access to STEAM_ID's that > aren't > yours any how? > > Here is the thing though, most Netcafes are connected to the Internet > via > Static IP's. > > It is a rather trivial task to go through the logs with a program like > HLStatsX and run a query that generates a list of STEAM_ID's on a per IP > basis. > > Then you check to see which IP's have lots of STEAM_ID's attached to > them, > and then you add those IP addresses to your banned_ip.cfg file and run > it at > server start, instant mass reduction of cheats you will see on your > server. > > If you want to be sure, just do a traceroute to the IP in question just > to > be sure you are not wiping a college or university out, but most often > you > will find that these are not going to have Netcafe accounts associated > with > them anyhow. > > But you can be almost certain that if you see more than 20 STEAM_ID's > originating from the 1 IP address, you have found a NetCafe that is > using > your servers. > > Now the problem for Valve, is if lots of Game Server Providers start IP > banning NetCafes from their servers, it instantly devalues Valves > NetCafe > program, since the NetCafe users will find it increasingly difficult to > find > servers to play on the Internet. In fact it is my understanding that if > you > IP ban, then your servers will no longer even come up on that IP's > server > browser, they will either not show up at all, or they show up as not > responding, in either case the result is the same. > > I do not have a simple answer to this, but whilst delayed banning > exists, > there is no other way to stop cheats on servers who have effectively > unlimited access to STEAM Accounts, other than to IP ban them. > > Thoughts? > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
