Erm...As you said...Valve filtered out 32 slot servers, not those with the plugin.
So..If I run a server that has a mod, which runs low gravity..and Valve don't like it..they'll find a way to filter out servers with low_grav rather than those that have the low grav mod. The fightback will come from the modding community in the form of mods that do their best to hide the fact that they do what they do. How will that help the community at large? Because all you vanilla fan boys are going to be mighty pissed when you find that most of the modding servers will deliberately conceal what their capabilities are, rather than declaring the cvars, so you can filter out the servers you don't want. What do you expect Valve to do, when there are servers that advertise 24 slots, but actually have 32 internally? It's going to be a game of cat and mouse, where the modding community will waste Valves time and the time of those who want vanilla servers AND where Valve wastes the time of server admins in their attempts to get their own way. All this aggro, just because Valve thinks it knows what's best for the gaming communities when the real final call, is with the server admin. And this server admin is having none of it. My remaining TF2 server is going to be shutdown. This argument is still relevant for me, because the other games like DoDs + CS:S should be defended from this bullshit. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 15 October 2007 18:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. "How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in future?" Simple: dont try and run it as 32 man.... if Valve kill of any other servers running mods then I will eat my hat. They haven't even done that here.. they just changed the master server list to filter out anything reporting in at over 24 slots.... Also: "Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the list, is to run a vanilla server." That's not strictly true at all! First off it would be nearly impossible to kill by a specific mod - the mod's could easily just change their signatures and thus avoid detection. Ok if they change core server parameters yes it would be possible but lots and lots of mods just don't do this... (AFAIK) Tom -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:27 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are > saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the > list, is to run a vanilla server. > > You will find that over time, most server admins will not want to run a > vanilla server AND the long term survival of TF2 will need mod community > to > survive.... > > Chris. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:14 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Actually, I run my server within the intended parameters and I can be > incredibly sure that it will forever show up on the list. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to > reply. > > A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. > > You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the > lists > in future. > > This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Get over it and move on....just like every time something like this has > happened in the past. > > Chris Barnett wrote: >> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, >> without even so much as the decency to tell us. >> >> >> >> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians > who >> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those >> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that >> Pacific rimming that's going on. >> >> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 > digits. >> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed >> teenagers and haxors. >> >> 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually >> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and > wise, >> they're community is going to be too smug. >> >> 4) Servers running FF. >> >> 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there > is >> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 > odd >> man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding >> communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of >> Valve. >> >> 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be >> wrong, they're all hacking. >> >> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all >> in >> Washington State. >> >> 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the > total >> number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! >> >> 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. >> >> 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to >> server admins" as their server name. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Right. That's my list. 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