Somebody call the WAAAAAAAAHMBULANCE!!!!

=p


Chris Barnett wrote:
Erm...As you said...Valve filtered out 32 slot servers, not those with the
plugin.

So..If I run a server that has a mod, which runs low gravity..and Valve
don't like it..they'll find a way to filter out servers with low_grav rather
than those that have the low grav mod.

The fightback will come from the modding community in the form of mods that
do their best to hide the fact that they do what they do.

How will that help the community at large? Because all you vanilla fan boys
are going to be mighty pissed when you find that most of the modding servers
will deliberately conceal what their capabilities are, rather than declaring
the cvars, so you can filter out the servers you don't want.

What do you expect Valve to do, when there are servers that advertise 24
slots, but actually have 32 internally?

It's going to be a game of cat and mouse, where the modding community will
waste Valves time and the time of those who want vanilla servers AND where
Valve wastes the time of server admins in their attempts to get their own
way.

All this aggro, just because Valve thinks it knows what's best for the
gaming communities when the real final call, is with the server admin. And
this server admin is having none of it. My remaining TF2 server is going to
be shutdown. This argument is still relevant for me, because the other games
like DoDs + CS:S should be defended from this bullshit.

Chris.




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton
Sent: 15 October 2007 18:38
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.

"How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in
future?"

Simple: dont try and run it as 32 man.... if Valve kill of any other servers
running mods then I will eat my hat. They haven't even done that here.. they
just changed the master server list to filter out anything reporting in at
over 24 slots....

Also:

"Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are
saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the
list, is to run a vanilla server."

That's not strictly true at all! First off it would be nearly impossible to
kill by a specific mod - the mod's could easily just change their signatures
and thus avoid detection. Ok if they change core server parameters yes it
would be possible but lots and lots of mods just don't do this... (AFAIK)

Tom

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From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:27 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.


Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are
saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the
list, is to run a vanilla server.

You will find that over time, most server admins will not want to run a
vanilla server AND the long term survival of TF2 will need mod community
to
survive....

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ
Sent: 15 October 2007 18:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.

Actually, I run my server within the intended parameters and I can be
incredibly sure that it will forever show up on the list.



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.

If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to
reply.

A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die.

You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the
lists
in future.

This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next.



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix
Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.

Get over it and move on....just like every time something like this has
happened in the past.

Chris Barnett wrote:

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Hello,



Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next,
without even so much as the decency to tell us.



1)      Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians

who

are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those
Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that
Pacific rimming that's going on.

2)      Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8

digits.

Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed
teenagers and haxors.

3)      Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually
high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and

wise,

they're community is going to be too smug.

4)      Servers running FF.

5)      Servers that sends the player into a different world where there

is

1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500

odd

man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding
communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of
Valve.

6)      Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be
wrong, they're all hacking.

7)      Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all
in
Washington State.

8)      Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the

total

number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!!

9)      Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors.

10)   Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to
server admins" as their server name.







Right. That's my list. Odds anyone?







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