Actually there have been some perfectly good suggestions on how
to fix the problem some less drastic than others but I'm sure no
one will disagree that even the basic naming of the tabs is
confusing.
We are not looking at LAN, Internet, Favourites here which everyone
understands. We have Internet and Custom which to the average Joe
means if he wants to play on the Internet he will pick that tab
without a second thought for the strange "Custom" tab.
The introduction of tags was a fantastic idea but its being totally
ruined by the fact that anyone who goes to use this great new
functionality is "banished" to the backroom Custom tab where,
lets face facts, they are guaranteed to get less players.
But of course its not even that simple, as there is nothing to
stop admins using addons which prevent their low grav, big head,
instagib server appearing on the "Internet" tab. Where all
servers are meant to be, so called standard servers, hence totally
defeating the objective of it anyway.
Quick fix imo: Rename the tabs so they describe what is listed
under them, so something like "Standard" and "Custom" would be
good move.
Even better ditch the Custom tab totally and make use of the
great new tags system to clearly display what custom servers
are running. This will "encourage" admins to advertise their
funky new options instead of forcing them to hide it from
players until they join.
All in all a great new feature is being totally devalued by
a poor implementation and needs to be fixed. I just really hope
that someone is listening to these concerns and acts on it so
we can all benefit from it at the end of the day.
Regards
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nephyrin Zey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
<hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Scrap the custome server tab
> Impeccable logic. Sure people may SEEM to be 10/1 against it, but look
> at how that internet petition failed!
>
> You're not suggesting any solutions or even arguments for why it's
> still a good or feasible idea. The only impression i get from reading
> your posts is that you run a vanilla server and think any
> modifications are insipid and deserved to be shunned to another tab
> where you couldn't care less if players don't find them, more traffic
> for you and the version of the game you support, yes? Or was that
> horribly bias? I'm sorry, I'm just assuming things based on flimsy
> evidence, but it seems to be working quite well for you.
>
> Not that any of that are anti-custom-tab are any less guilty of just
> putting forth flimsy reasons for your case that arn't helping
> anything. I personally think alltalk is retarded in a game highly
> based on strategic teamwork. And that anyone running a gravity mod
> shouldn't be hard to distinguish from a serious damn server. So maybe
> you ALL should look at both sides of the argument and try to discuss
> what you think the solution should be in more detail. There *IS* a
> problem with a bunch of non-game-representative crazy servers being on
> the list. There *are* issues with implementing a good single-tab
> filter (think: custom hidden by default? same issues if it is or
> isn't?).
>
> Going 'learn to work with it!' (it's horribly broken and unfixable) or
> 'single tab, it's easy!' (i'm more in favor of this, but still major
> issues) isn't helping shit guys. You're destroying (or have destroyed)
> any chance that valve cares about what is said on this list about the
> subject, they probably regard these lists as a bunch of kids angry
> about their servers standings (and they're mostly right)
>
> tl;dr: It's just a damn game. Talk about it if you have a good idea or
> solution, or just let Valve do what they will about it. If you want to
> keep the discussion going so valve hears you, at least think of
> something to bring to it. All of you.
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