Totally agree Now that the tagging system has no penalties just for using it, people should be using it! (And mods should be setting appropriate tags automatically)
All you end up doing is annoying potential players, who then not only will quit because they've been mislead, but will never go near _any_ of your servers again (because they can't trust that your genuinely vanilla server is actually vanilla) If a mod is unpopular with your players, how does hiding the fact you are running help for more than a couple of minutes? Surely a better response would be a) Remove the mod, or b) Get used to reduced players Would be nice to see the more popular mods / plugins enforce their correct tags. On a related note, it would be helpful if there was a couple more server commands related to tags. (I know those running scriptable mods can do this themselves, but not all are) Some sort of command that adds to the current list of tags (if it's not already there) Some sort of command that removes a tag from the list of tags (if it is there) It would make updating the description as you run config files a lot more manageable. Philip Cass on behalf of 127001.org > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Eid > Sent: 03 September 2008 17:54 > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] The new tagging system > > I was going to give this a little more time, but it's getting frustrating > and seems just as ill-fated as the Custom tab system was. > > http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721588 > http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721840 > > Those are two current threads in the TF2 forums right now. I feel their > pain. I'm not sure what the lists rules are about posting server names > and > whatnot, so I won't, but I've been keeping a close eye on the servers I > visit and taking notes on what they advertise compared to what is actually > going on in their servers. > > Out of a sample of 20 servers, none of which advertise Insta/Short spawn > times through tags or in the server name(the only tag I recall seeing at > all > on any of these servers was 'payload'), 14 of them actually have > Insta/Short > spawn times. And it's not just spawn times, but that's what I'm focusing > on > here. Hell, one server I've been to has insta-spawn for it's clan members > and everyone else has normal spawn times. I noted how bad I thought this > was and the server admin said, "Dude, that's how we roll here." > Well...fine...but it'd be nice to know this before I actually > join...because then I wouldn't join. I doubt many others would, either, > but > when you have normal spawn times, how do you even notice that certain > 'select' players on that server have insta-spawn? The only reason I > noticed > was because I Dominated the clan's leader and, literally, seconds later he > came back as Scout to get Revenge. Then I sat in my 20 second respawn > wondering what the heck just happened. > > When I go to a server and notice after my first death that spawn times are > shortened, upon respawn, I'll ask over voice, "So this server has > short/insta-spawn?" To which people will usually respond, "Yes". > Although > it was a question that I already knew the answer to, I feel it necessary > to > point this out to people there. I'll usually end with a comment such as, > "Don't you think that's something you should advertise or do you prefer to > trick people into playing into your servers?" Then I disconnect in hopes > of > finding an honest server...and they are out there, just difficult to find. > > No tags should mean vanilla, right? Well what it really seems to stand > for > is that the server ops are using plug-ins that were created to circumvent > the Custom tab system and haven't/won't be switching to newer/updated > plug-ins. So then, if someone is using 'vanilla' as a tag, that should > mean > you're entering a Vanilla server, right? Sadly, no. > > It's getting even more frustrating than the Custom tab system was. At > least > with the Custom tab, I'd know that I'd have a slim chance of finding a > Vanilla server. This new system, in theory, should be working better, > but, > just like with the Custom tab, server admins seem to know that people > don't > want to play on their poorly configured servers so they need to trick them > into joining. > > The argument most commonly heard is that "my server stays full 24/7 and I > have insta-spawn, so I'm going with what my playerbase wants." That's all > fine and dandy if you're tagging your server(s) that way, but the majority > of admins aren't tagging(or are tagging improperly), so what I think it > comes down to is that people just want to play. I get to a certain point > every night where I just deal with it and play because I'm sick of hopping > around once I noticed something on a server that wasn't tagged. It's not > that your server is uber-leet, it's that I'm tired of spending more time > in > the server browser than actually playing the game. > > Please, talk to other server admins. Make sure they know about the new > system. I know there are honest server ops here on HLDS, so helping to > spread the word to others you may know that don't participate here would > be > a big help. Would it be possible to petition "plug-in sites" to remove > the > old plug-ins that remove tags? > > Also, take a close read at those threads I linked to and realize that > Valve > will listen to their customers. The Custom tab was one chance, the new > tagging system is another. If it keeps up like this, a lot of admins may > soon find themselves black-listed by clients...or even worse, de-listed by > Valve. > > As always, thanks for taking the time to read this. > > -Richard Eid > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Mike Stiehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ya if you are going to use fakeclients don't be stupid about it > > if you have 10 people and want to bump it to 15 ok fine. But if you > > have 0 players and you make it look like you have 21 people in your > > server that is just stupid. > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
