I don't like adding webstites names into tags, as you may noticed there is LotusClan.com in common tags and its rubbish tag for me...
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've set my tags up as a descriptor of that which one can expect on the > server - hlstatsx, hlx, stats, arena, payload, pl, trickery.net etc... > > Isn't this what they are supposed to be for? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SakeFox > Sent: 03 September 2008 18:06 > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] The new tagging system > > I will admit it I didn't read all of it, but i did read the first few > paragraphs. > > A while back when people complained about the custom tab and wanted a > filter system and could still use tags. I made a comment that it > wouldn't work either. Unfortently the way that these mods work I don't > see a way for valve to really help these issues. With the custom tabs > there was the idle threat that you would be delisted, but that never > went anywhere. now you might as well remove the tags altogether since > they still server no purpose. Servers even after they got rid of the > custom tabs are still trying to cheat the system. > > > Richard Eid wrote: > > I was going to give this a little more time, but it's getting > > frustrating and seems just as ill-fated as the Custom tab system was. > > > > http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721588 > > http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721840 > > > > Those are two current threads in the TF2 forums right now. I feel > > their pain. I'm not sure what the lists rules are about posting > > server names and whatnot, so I won't, but I've been keeping a close > > eye on the servers I visit and taking notes on what they advertise > > compared to what is actually going on in their servers. > > > > Out of a sample of 20 servers, none of which advertise Insta/Short > > spawn times through tags or in the server name(the only tag I recall > > seeing at all on any of these servers was 'payload'), 14 of them > > actually have Insta/Short spawn times. And it's not just spawn times, > > > but that's what I'm focusing on here. Hell, one server I've been to > > has insta-spawn for it's clan members and everyone else has normal > > spawn times. I noted how bad I thought this was and the server admin > said, "Dude, that's how we roll here." > > Well...fine...but it'd be nice to know this before I actually > > join...because then I wouldn't join. I doubt many others would, > > either, but when you have normal spawn times, how do you even notice > > that certain 'select' players on that server have insta-spawn? The > > only reason I noticed was because I Dominated the clan's leader and, > > literally, seconds later he came back as Scout to get Revenge. Then I > > > sat in my 20 second respawn wondering what the heck just happened. > > > > When I go to a server and notice after my first death that spawn times > > > are shortened, upon respawn, I'll ask over voice, "So this server has > > short/insta-spawn?" To which people will usually respond, "Yes". > > Although it was a question that I already knew the answer to, I feel > > it necessary to point this out to people there. I'll usually end with > > > a comment such as, "Don't you think that's something you should > > advertise or do you prefer to trick people into playing into your > > servers?" Then I disconnect in hopes of finding an honest > server...and they are out there, just difficult to find. > > > > No tags should mean vanilla, right? Well what it really seems to > > stand for is that the server ops are using plug-ins that were created > > to circumvent the Custom tab system and haven't/won't be switching to > > newer/updated plug-ins. So then, if someone is using 'vanilla' as a > > tag, that should mean you're entering a Vanilla server, right? Sadly, > no. > > > > It's getting even more frustrating than the Custom tab system was. At > > > least with the Custom tab, I'd know that I'd have a slim chance of > > finding a Vanilla server. This new system, in theory, should be > > working better, but, just like with the Custom tab, server admins seem > > > to know that people don't want to play on their poorly configured > > servers so they need to trick them into joining. > > > > The argument most commonly heard is that "my server stays full 24/7 > > and I have insta-spawn, so I'm going with what my playerbase wants." > > That's all fine and dandy if you're tagging your server(s) that way, > > but the majority of admins aren't tagging(or are tagging improperly), > > so what I think it comes down to is that people just want to play. I > > get to a certain point every night where I just deal with it and play > > because I'm sick of hopping around once I noticed something on a > > server that wasn't tagged. It's not that your server is uber-leet, > > it's that I'm tired of spending more time in the server browser than > actually playing the game. > > > > Please, talk to other server admins. Make sure they know about the > > new system. I know there are honest server ops here on HLDS, so > > helping to spread the word to others you may know that don't > > participate here would be a big help. Would it be possible to > > petition "plug-in sites" to remove the old plug-ins that remove tags? > > > > Also, take a close read at those threads I linked to and realize that > > Valve will listen to their customers. The Custom tab was one chance, > > the new tagging system is another. If it keeps up like this, a lot of > > > admins may soon find themselves black-listed by clients...or even > > worse, de-listed by Valve. > > > > As always, thanks for taking the time to read this. > > > > -Richard Eid > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Mike Stiehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Ya if you are going to use fakeclients don't be stupid about it if > >> you have 10 people and want to bump it to 15 ok fine. But if you have > > >> 0 players and you make it look like you have 21 people in your server > > >> that is just stupid. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
