On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Karl Weckstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I totally disagree. I have (or currently do) host(ed) those games. There > are sample configs with documented cvars, particularly in the case of COD4. > All cvars for Quake3 were documented well (though some didn't work). Ut2k > had all SORTS of documented configs, like Instagib, Onslaught, etc. Not sure > how you can say this L4D business is "on par" with any of those releases. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Gottlieb > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:19 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Lame Bitching (a.k.a. Re: How about some server > instructions and server.cfg) > > Documentation for Source Dedicated Server has always been bad. > What makes you think that valve is hiding something? > If you need help, talk to the community. Both this listserv and > srcds.comare great tools. > > Get used to it. Documentation is bad. Releases are never smooth. Plugins > break. > > Do you know of another Dedicated Server community that has better official > documentation? Because it's not any better for CoD4 or UT2k4 or Quake3. > > ~ Matt > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Karl Weckstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > It isn't my job to start a wiki page or write valve's documentation. It's > > THEIR job. Not ours. To defend their lack of documentation is simply > absurd. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike O'Laughlen > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:57 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Lame Bitching (a.k.a. Re: How about some server > > instructions and server.cfg) > > > > Yeah this thread has become unhelpful to anyone but yourself. I don't > even > > see what your problem is except complaining that the Internets aren't > > structured enough for you. > > > > Furthermore, some of these new cvars such as sv_steamgroup and > > sv_steamgroup_exclusive were added to the product just before release, so > > any documentation would have be kept up to date. Admins are typically > > technically savvy and able to google for this information. And the > > attitude > > that you need to be compensated to create the appropriate documentation > is > > bollocks. > > > > Here's a document on all the cvars (sans sv_steamgroup) > > http://www.left4dead411.com/l4d_cvar_list.pdf > > > > If that doesn't help, start a wiki page for l4d cvars/guide. You can > even > > add a link from the Valve developer wiki (not sure if it's the > appropriate > > wiki since its geared towards the SDK devs... but whatever): > > > > http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Left_4_dead > > > > > > > > > > I'm *not* supporting L4D until Valve gets their act together. I made > > the > > > > decision a day or two after release and numerous frustrating attempts > > to > > > get > > > > it behaving the way I wanted. > > > > > > > > To say "If you can't figure it out, then you shouldn't be a server > > > > operator" doesn't carry *ANY* weight with me. That's simply a > childish > > > jab > > > > at best and an excuse for valve at worst. > > > > > > > > There is no substitute for proper documentation. <---Read that. Now > > read > > > it > > > > again. Keep reading it until you understand what it means. > > > > > > > > Everyone on this list should be *EXPECTING* proper documentation for > > this > > > > product. Not begging for it or relying on the few people who managed > to > > > > kinda-sorta figure it out. It's half-assed, and I expect better from > > > Valve. > > > > I blindly believed that Valve would do right by server ops. I won't > > > blindly > > > > believe that anymore. > > > > > > > > Call me a whiner. Call me an attention-craver. I don't care. I *will* > > > voice > > > > my opinion if I feel strongly enough about it. > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > compare time and experience.q3 and ut2k are pretty old now, and l4d is a newcommer. Tyrael _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
