So basically you equivocate Valve's response with a 5 year year old child taking his ball and going home. I agree completely.
Kingsley Foreman wrote: > I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm sick of the spam. If you > want to whine about Valve go create your own mail list and feel free to do > it all you want. > > I know that many of you have been hosting servers for a long time, I also > know many of you haven't im also assuming some people on this list aren't > hosters at all. However little support from games companies from isn't > something new, it has been going on size the first dedicated server was > released. Valve traditionally are far far far better then most if not all > companies on releasing patches and fixes. Anyone here heard of the > Battlefield series of games? > > However this isn't the problem here, have any of you actually wondered if it > is actually us as a whole who have caused the problem of valve "not > listening". Ive been on this mail list for many many years, way before steam > was released, back when CS was really the only game it talked about. The > list was 1000x better then it is now. If there was a post it was us or > someone helping someone else or a release. No crying that Valve don't love > us, It was even before GSPs went on huge rants because a patch didn't do > they wanted and it was costing them money. > > Back then Valve responded to most if not all problems. Why because when they > did everyone said thank you and didn't scream boycott and cry foul. People > get over it. Valve are a business, Valve of course want sales, they same way > you do. We aren't valves customers if anything most of you are using > something Valve give out for free to make money. > > And on a final note, i love people who scream boycott, why? because when you > do it mean more player for us when when we ignore it. > > I'm actually more annoyed at the people on the list who have changed it into > what it is today rather then a useful list like it used to be. I don't care > about your business, what upsets you at night, how the world is out to get > you, or your dick size. I care about patches and fixes with people willing > to contribute to make something better, not whinge about why it isn't. So > for the people working out bugs, making mods, and generally helping others, > I salute you. For the rest maybe you should start a blog. > > On a final note, If you tell someone they are shit at playing catch every > time they come round to play catch, eventually they will stop coming around. > That is what valve has done. > > PS. yes I do feel bad about contributing to this tripe. > > Kingsley > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jon" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:43 AM > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! > > >> Agreed! >> >> Jon >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: [email protected] >> [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kveri [[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:07 PM >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! >> >> I agree. >> >> Kveri >> >> Blood Letter wrote / napísal(a): >> >>> If Valve completely ignores server operators who provide free servers, >>> without which their games would be useless, they suck. >>> >>> If Valve lets long standing bugs, exploits, and security issues go >>> unattended while focusing only on the latest content update + free >>> weekend, they clearly prioritize sales over customers. >>> >>> I don't know about Valve's office, but if something goes wrong with a >>> system at my office, even on Christmas day, we respond to it, and come >>> into the office if necessary. If there are fires wreaking havoc with the >>> power grid and people are being evacuated from their homes, we coordinate >>> to make sure our servers are backed up, the backups are offsite, and the >>> servers are safe. >>> >>> If someone at Valve wants a break, they can take vacation days. Do they >>> only have 3 guys, and each only does 1 thing? I hope not. Any company >>> worth it's salt knows you need redundancy in your mind share. >>> >>> Valve IS ignoring this list, by not replying. They get torn apart >>> because they never respond to important issues, they're always late, and >>> they never, EVER, provide clear and complete answers, let alone any >>> semblance of documentation. >>> >>> Even if I were a child, I would still be a paying customer. If you're >>> saying Valve gets a pass because gaming is not a priority in life, then >>> you don't understand a single thing about having a job. If your job is >>> to make games, you do that. If your job is to deliver mail, you do that. >>> Working in a particular job sector does not give you the right to slack >>> off. >>> >>> If Valve fixes everything and provides complete and correct >>> documentation, then they get support and sales. Going from an F to an A >>> doesn't change the fact that you still had an F. >>> >>> No one is treating Valve like shit. We are simply demanding we get some >>> support, some documentation, and some communication. We get none of >>> those things. Being a customer DOES give you the right to expect a >>> certain level of quality and service from the business you are >>> patronizing. >>> >>> If Valve's priorities continue to diverge from what so many of us expect, >>> that's fine. They'll just lose our money and our support. Let's be >>> clear here - server admins are supporting Valve, not the other way >>> around. I'm sorry I can't apply for a job at Valve, I already have a job >>> of my own. I can't be programming for everyone in the world, can I? >>> Regardless, I wouldn't want to work in an office where a complete lack of >>> customer support gets a passing grade. >>> >>> Valve's lack of support and communication is indefensible to anyone with >>> even a remote knowledge of programming and software development. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:41 -0500 >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! >>>> >>>> If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix >>>> everything now, they suck. If Valve doesn't kiss our asses every second >>>> of >>>> every day, they suck. They don't care, they won't fix this, they refuse >>>> to >>>> fix that. All they want is our money. >>>> >>>> You all sound like a broken record. And worse than that, you have no >>>> lives >>>> outside of this thing we have here. Did anyone stop to think that since >>>> they all busted their asses for who knows how long getting Left 4 Dead >>>> out >>>> the door, while providing updates to TF2 the whole time, that >>>> maybe...just >>>> maybe, they'd want to take a break for a little while during the >>>> holidays? >>>> You know...so they could spend time with their families. >>>> >>>> Honestly, since release of TOB, there have been a relentless amount of >>>> updates to their products. In the time that has passed from TOB until >>>> now, >>>> the only people being neglected were probably most of the families of >>>> Valve >>>> employees. Does anyone feel they deserve a little break? >>>> >>>> They're ignoring us? Really? You think so? Does anyone here subscribe >>>> to >>>> HLCoders? A little civility goes a long way. In my opinion, Valve >>>> isn't >>>> ignoring this list, they just don't want to reply. I swear, this list = >>>> SPUF sometimes. Any two words they say are held against them forever. >>>> >>>> I know that a lot of kids subscribe to this list, so it would be >>>> difficult >>>> for a lot of you to understand, but there is such a thing as priorities >>>> in >>>> life. Gaming is not as high on that list once you have a family to take >>>> care of and a boss to answer to. And you are not the boss of anyone at >>>> Valve. >>>> >>>> Valve knows about the problems, obviously. You all keep saying the same >>>> things over and over. Give them a break. Just because you didn't have >>>> anything to do for the past couple of weeks doesn't mean they had to sit >>>> around and hop on every little problem we have. What happens when >>>> updates >>>> are released to address the current existing issues? Are you going to >>>> apologize for acting like a bunch of assholes or are you going to feel >>>> stupid for saying things like, "Valve doesn't care about their games >>>> anymore"? Wait...I know. 90% of you will say, "Finally." 5% won't be >>>> happy no matter what. 4% will bring up another issue that Valve is >>>> ignoring. And 1% will say, "Thank you." >>>> >>>> Yes, we paid money for the game. But $50 does not give you the right to >>>> treat the people trying to help you like shit. Sometimes the problems >>>> that >>>> you claim are easy fixes may not be so easy to fix. And since most of >>>> you >>>> know for a fact that it's an easy fix, there's always >>>> [email protected] >>>> . >>>> >>>> Grow up. They are aware of the problems. Like Aaron said, there are >>>> your >>>> priorities and then there are business priorities. Just because the >>>> issues >>>> high on your list may not be high on theirs doesn't mean they're >>>> ignoring >>>> you. But then, it would be stupid of me to assume that most of you >>>> would >>>> understand any of that, especially given your attitudes over the past >>>> few >>>> months. >>>> >>>> -Richard Eid >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> It’s the same Hotmail®. 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