I was mainly talking about group banning and I cannot think of any reason why you would be in any of the groups listed. As I said, being on someone's friends list is in my opinion much different and banning players based on their friends list is best done with care. But that is not up to me or you what other admins decide to do so as I also said, if group banning (or friends banning) is right or wrong is not worth discussing because it will never lead anywhere, if anything it will just make people angry with each other.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> wrote: > I dunno... I see the value of trading bans for known "problem players"... But > I can now see where it can go wrong. > > Case in point - I've already been accused of being a hacker myself because I > added one to my friendslist after seeing him bandied about in this mailing > list (as did several others from this list - but I guess they're all hackers > or harboring them as well). > > Of course, all this cheating I'm doing isn't helping my rank much on the > TrashedGamers servers... I'm still a way better technology guy than I am a > video game player :) > > Regardless - the problem here is that it takes as little as one vindictive > tween that reads too much 4chan to throw your data off. And there's loads of > those around (even in here, obviously). > > On the other hand - problem players have to be handled. I can understand why > some ban lists require proof beyond some kind of reasonable doubt. But what's > reasonable doubt these days? It seems kind of arbitrary and open to > interpretation... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donnie Newlove > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:55 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Group Banning And You > > I do not agree. I believe that even without any anticheat only an > immature minority will cheat even when there is no risk of punishment. > But if I eventually am wrong and one day all TF2 players are suddenly > raging cheaters, then I am long gone. > > Besides, 1500 cheating players that are mostly playing CS:S, maybe the > game with most cheaters ever, does not have much in common with the > average TF2 player. > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Justin <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ya know eventually your gonna ban every gamer playing tf2? >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Donnie Newlove >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Zanork_0f_g0t >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/k_ >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/HACK-4-LIFE >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791429761110 >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/P7 >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/houseofhacks >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/MultihackAdminTeam >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Donnie Newlove >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Both these groups are owned by the same guy and he is one of the most >>> > active ones. I don't know for sure because I could not find anything >>> > about it, but it seems that ROLEX/GodLike is just another cheater, >>> > there are a few "hater" groups like this, chrisaster got one as well >>> > and he is even a member. The ЯυĿż is THE BEST (R) is basically a fan >>> > club for a known cheater (ЯυĿż which is also admin there is both VAC >>> > banned and a member of many other cheating groups). Bottom line is no >>> > one that is not in the cheating community would be a member of those >>> > groups unless they just join groups at random and stumbled upon the >>> > wrong ones. >>> > >>> > And here is a few more I just found when I checked those links. :) >>> > >>> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/AACbyC_Style >>> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/welovehackz >>> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/WCSSH >>> > >>> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:37 AM, msleeper <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> Up to 1530 with these groups, thanks for reporting them. A question on a >>> >> few of them though that I did not add: >>> >> >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dasdwasdwa >>> >> Aside from having what some people (read: pansies) would consider an >>> >> offensive group image, I don't see anything blatantly yelling "hacks" to >>> >> me for them. >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rolexfailshardlol >>> >> Same here, aside from some dumb kid as a group image, I don't see >>> >> anything in particularly wrong with this group. >>> >> >>> >> Are these groups owned by owners of other groups? Or something of that >>> >> nature? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 02:37 +0100, Donnie Newlove wrote: >>> >>> Having updated SourceBans to the latest version I wonder what I would >>> >>> ever need to ban groups from the web interface, but after looking >>> >>> around for an hour at the steamcommunity I found that it was quite >>> >>> useful for proactive banning since I now have over 1000 new bans of >>> >>> known cheaters (and I am also quite astounded, I would not dare to >>> >>> dream about people being this dumb). >>> >>> >>> >>> I started off simply by searching for "hacking" and such and checking >>> >>> admins at the groups, random members, friends of the most active ones, >>> >>> groups with many VAC banned members, members that were part of many >>> >>> suspect groups, etc. Here are most groups I found with admitted >>> >>> cheaters and troublemakers. It appears as if there were mostly CS:S >>> >>> players but also a lot of CS, TF2 and L4D. Please post more useful >>> >>> links if you find any. Peace out. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gangster-strike >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dasdwasdwa >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791430166586 >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/g0ts >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/phoenix-hacks >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Project-7 >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ELITESAUCE >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/omegacheaters >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rolexfailshardlol >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/furyon-hackers >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/cheat_project >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/haxorzzz >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/udown >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/x22shop >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/360-hacks >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vip-master >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/unlimitedhackers >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/theg0t >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Hack-Sector >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ethug >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Angel-Hacker >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hardcorehackers >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4567319757432567564347 >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/elextronic-hackers >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GodlikeHackers >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Infinity-Hackers >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hardcore-hackers >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Deutscheprohackers >>> >>> >>> >>> And this guy selling exploits and... yeah, you already know. He got a >>> >>> fan club, but I can't view the members. Anyway, hurry up before these >>> >>> maggets understand what is going on, this is just to easy to last. >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791430217890 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
