I can explain that for him. Just like the guy above he cheated in a GoldSrc game (or Red Orchestra) and got banned, but they can still play Source games. It's not officially explained anywhere and everything else about VAC suggests that cheating will cause a ban from all VAC servers but that is not the case. I have no idea why it's like that, but engine based VAC bans is Valves dirty little undocumented secret. Luckily there is now a plugin that fix that problem/bug/feature.
http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=80942 There is one for GoldSrc somewere as well. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, this outlines two other points... > > -People will ban for the most idiotic of reasons :) > -VAC ban status isn't always accurate. > > Much as I don't like to defend a guy like msleeper, it's impossible to say > whether that VAC status field is even accurate. > > Case in point, we have an admin who can't even explain why he has bans on > record. But there it is - right there on his steam page. > > http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969001376 > > We've known the guy for years, as he was with us from the old Railbait.com > days. Certainly not the cheating type (but hey - you think you know a guy...) > > That said - these "bans on record" don't hinder him in any way. He can play > on any VAC secure server with every game he owns. He has no idea how he got > VAC banned, nor does this status impede him anywhere. He's attempted to > contact support, but they ignore his mails just like they say they will. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:27 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Group Banning And You > > Scanning 115 friends of id/msleeper for vacBanned status... > http://steamcommunity.com/id/LittleDogX > > lolz > > - Neph > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: >> Frankly, I ban based on a "guilty until proven innocent" standard. If >> you cheat in one game, you are likely to cheat in another. Once a >> cheater always a cheater. I could go on and on with cliches, but the >> bottom line is that I don't care if someone "innocent" was accidentally >> in one of these groups or accidentally friends with one of these people. >> People should know better, and being lenient is what lets these people >> thrive. >> >> Also, I didn't say I was going to ban Karl's spammy group. I said I >> banned him because he decided to be on the friends list of a hacker that >> got posted here. His group is "huge" because he - self admittedly - has >> some spambot that gets friend IDs from the other groups out there and >> spams invites to them. His group is artificially "huge", but that is a >> different subject altogether. >> >> >> On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 11:40 +0100, Donnie Newlove wrote: >>> Banning TrashedGamers is not a very good idea, the group is huge and >>> if there are many troublemakers in that group there is still going to >>> be at least 50,000 players banned that is not a problem. >>> >>> >>> Oh, and btw. Group banning is no different than banning for being >>> named "myg0t" or similar. But I would be careful with friends banning, >>> I have used it with a few of the most active cheaters that are admins >>> in many groups or members in many groups and have friends that are too >>> when picking a few at random. But I believe there is a higher risk >>> that someone "innocent" gets banned when banning friends. It could be >>> someone that just wanted to talk to the person for some reason or the >>> subject sent a friend invite and the victim accepted without thinking >>> something bad would come out of it. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > We've accumulated a few bans over at TrashedGamers as well... while I >>> > don't necessarily agree with msleeper on everything, I'm totally with him >>> > on this... >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper >>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:38 PM >>> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Group Banning And You >>> > >>> > Up to 1530 with these groups, thanks for reporting them. A question on a >>> > few of them though that I did not add: >>> > >>> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dasdwasdwa >>> > Aside from having what some people (read: pansies) would consider an >>> > offensive group image, I don't see anything blatantly yelling "hacks" to >>> > me for them. >>> > >>> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rolexfailshardlol >>> > Same here, aside from some dumb kid as a group image, I don't see >>> > anything in particularly wrong with this group. >>> > >>> > Are these groups owned by owners of other groups? Or something of that >>> > nature? >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 02:37 +0100, Donnie Newlove wrote: >>> >> Having updated SourceBans to the latest version I wonder what I would >>> >> ever need to ban groups from the web interface, but after looking >>> >> around for an hour at the steamcommunity I found that it was quite >>> >> useful for proactive banning since I now have over 1000 new bans of >>> >> known cheaters (and I am also quite astounded, I would not dare to >>> >> dream about people being this dumb). >>> >> >>> >> I started off simply by searching for "hacking" and such and checking >>> >> admins at the groups, random members, friends of the most active ones, >>> >> groups with many VAC banned members, members that were part of many >>> >> suspect groups, etc. Here are most groups I found with admitted >>> >> cheaters and troublemakers. It appears as if there were mostly CS:S >>> >> players but also a lot of CS, TF2 and L4D. Please post more useful >>> >> links if you find any. Peace out. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gangster-strike >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dasdwasdwa >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791430166586 >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/g0ts >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/phoenix-hacks >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Project-7 >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ELITESAUCE >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/omegacheaters >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rolexfailshardlol >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/furyon-hackers >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/cheat_project >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/haxorzzz >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/udown >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/x22shop >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/360-hacks >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vip-master >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/unlimitedhackers >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/theg0t >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Hack-Sector >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ethug >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Angel-Hacker >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hardcorehackers >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4567319757432567564347 >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/elextronic-hackers >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GodlikeHackers >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Infinity-Hackers >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hardcore-hackers >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Deutscheprohackers >>> >> >>> >> And this guy selling exploits and... yeah, you already know. He got a >>> >> fan club, but I can't view the members. Anyway, hurry up before these >>> >> maggets understand what is going on, this is just to easy to last. >>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791430217890 >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >>> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> > please visit: >>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> > please visit: >>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
