Well, this outlines two other points... -People will ban for the most idiotic of reasons :) -VAC ban status isn't always accurate.
Much as I don't like to defend a guy like msleeper, it's impossible to say whether that VAC status field is even accurate. Case in point, we have an admin who can't even explain why he has bans on record. But there it is - right there on his steam page. http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969001376 We've known the guy for years, as he was with us from the old Railbait.com days. Certainly not the cheating type (but hey - you think you know a guy...) That said - these "bans on record" don't hinder him in any way. He can play on any VAC secure server with every game he owns. He has no idea how he got VAC banned, nor does this status impede him anywhere. He's attempted to contact support, but they ignore his mails just like they say they will. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:27 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Group Banning And You Scanning 115 friends of id/msleeper for vacBanned status... http://steamcommunity.com/id/LittleDogX lolz - Neph On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > Frankly, I ban based on a "guilty until proven innocent" standard. If > you cheat in one game, you are likely to cheat in another. Once a > cheater always a cheater. I could go on and on with cliches, but the > bottom line is that I don't care if someone "innocent" was accidentally > in one of these groups or accidentally friends with one of these people. > People should know better, and being lenient is what lets these people > thrive. > > Also, I didn't say I was going to ban Karl's spammy group. I said I > banned him because he decided to be on the friends list of a hacker that > got posted here. His group is "huge" because he - self admittedly - has > some spambot that gets friend IDs from the other groups out there and > spams invites to them. His group is artificially "huge", but that is a > different subject altogether. > > > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 11:40 +0100, Donnie Newlove wrote: >> Banning TrashedGamers is not a very good idea, the group is huge and >> if there are many troublemakers in that group there is still going to >> be at least 50,000 players banned that is not a problem. >> >> >> Oh, and btw. Group banning is no different than banning for being >> named "myg0t" or similar. But I would be careful with friends banning, >> I have used it with a few of the most active cheaters that are admins >> in many groups or members in many groups and have friends that are too >> when picking a few at random. But I believe there is a higher risk >> that someone "innocent" gets banned when banning friends. It could be >> someone that just wanted to talk to the person for some reason or the >> subject sent a friend invite and the victim accepted without thinking >> something bad would come out of it. >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> wrote: >> > We've accumulated a few bans over at TrashedGamers as well... while I >> > don't necessarily agree with msleeper on everything, I'm totally with him >> > on this... >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:38 PM >> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Group Banning And You >> > >> > Up to 1530 with these groups, thanks for reporting them. A question on a >> > few of them though that I did not add: >> > >> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dasdwasdwa >> > Aside from having what some people (read: pansies) would consider an >> > offensive group image, I don't see anything blatantly yelling "hacks" to >> > me for them. >> > >> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rolexfailshardlol >> > Same here, aside from some dumb kid as a group image, I don't see >> > anything in particularly wrong with this group. >> > >> > Are these groups owned by owners of other groups? Or something of that >> > nature? >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 02:37 +0100, Donnie Newlove wrote: >> >> Having updated SourceBans to the latest version I wonder what I would >> >> ever need to ban groups from the web interface, but after looking >> >> around for an hour at the steamcommunity I found that it was quite >> >> useful for proactive banning since I now have over 1000 new bans of >> >> known cheaters (and I am also quite astounded, I would not dare to >> >> dream about people being this dumb). >> >> >> >> I started off simply by searching for "hacking" and such and checking >> >> admins at the groups, random members, friends of the most active ones, >> >> groups with many VAC banned members, members that were part of many >> >> suspect groups, etc. Here are most groups I found with admitted >> >> cheaters and troublemakers. It appears as if there were mostly CS:S >> >> players but also a lot of CS, TF2 and L4D. Please post more useful >> >> links if you find any. Peace out. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gangster-strike >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dasdwasdwa >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791430166586 >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/g0ts >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/phoenix-hacks >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Project-7 >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ELITESAUCE >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/omegacheaters >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rolexfailshardlol >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/furyon-hackers >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/cheat_project >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/haxorzzz >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/udown >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/x22shop >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/360-hacks >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vip-master >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/unlimitedhackers >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/theg0t >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Hack-Sector >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ethug >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Angel-Hacker >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hardcorehackers >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4567319757432567564347 >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/elextronic-hackers >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GodlikeHackers >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Infinity-Hackers >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hardcore-hackers >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Deutscheprohackers >> >> >> >> And this guy selling exploits and... yeah, you already know. He got a >> >> fan club, but I can't view the members. Anyway, hurry up before these >> >> maggets understand what is going on, this is just to easy to last. >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791430217890 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
