The ping from here isn't that bad actually, at least not to me. I hit
california based (San Jose specifically) at around the 70-80 ping mark,
anywhere else in cali is right at 100. Playing on Texas based BF2
servers, I would usually hit around 120, with spikes up to 150.

TOTALLY playable in my opinion. But most of the hawaii gamers I've
played with over the past 6 years claim that those numbers suck, and
only play with that latency because there's no alternatives here in
hawaii (that part is true, NOBODY hosts game servers in hawaii - I host
mine off my work connection, which has a 2 megabit uplink, and goes damn
near unused at night).

Like I said, it's the mindset. I used to live in cali (fresno) so I've
played on my fair share of low and "high" ping servers, and you're right
- if you're good, you'll do fine with high ping, but if you suck... Well
you just suck, and low ping won't help you any.

msleeper has been on the end of a few of my hawaii sucks for internet
rants in irc .... I should show you the colo quote I got here ...

-mauirixxx

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ook
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:23 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Top Cheating Features Bypassing VAC?
(wasVoogrucheaterplugin)

Half of my regulars are in Europe or South America or Asia. Some of them
come in with fairly ugly pings, but a ping of ~225 from Europe is not at
all unusual. Not the best, but still perfectly playable (at least for
those of us that remember what it was like to play with dial up modems
LOL). Back in my day (when Men were Men and I had to walk barefoot in
the snow to school - uphill - both ways...) I could, with my 250ms ping,
whip the cable modem guys butts easily. If you are good, you are good
even with mediocre ping, and if you suck, then you whine and cheat I
guess.

No one - and I mean no one - whines about consistent lag because they
are connecting from some other country. I'm watching some guy from
Germany with a ping of 260 kicking butt. I have players in Seattle that
connect to my server with a ping of about 35. And they really aren't any
better then the 260ms pinging Germans.

In all fairness, I don't remember ever seeing anyone connecting from
Hawaii - how bad is their ping that they feel they have to cheat?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clyde cide" <[email protected]>
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Top Cheating Features Bypassing VAC? (was
Voogrucheaterplugin)


>I get service guys from Korea that play on mine with no lag, Denmark,  
>Portugal, Russia and a few others that play with out lag as well. My  
>server  is in Chicago.
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:04 PM, matan nov <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> I play from Israel on US servers with no lag, I'm literally on the 
>> other side of the world.
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Rick Payton <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>
>> > A lot of the "kids" here in hawaii tend to go for the aimbot / 
>> > wallhack combo. Their usual justification is to compensate for the 
>> > inherent lag of playing from Hawaii on a US mainland server, but 
>> > that's the cheat's they like.
>> >
>> > I run Kigens anti cheat, and that catches a small handfull of 
>> > cheaters, but it seems to work ok.
>> >
>> > <offtopic>Holy shit, HoundDawg made a post - I haven't seen any 
>> > activity from you in years. Are you getting back into server 
>> > duties?</offtopic>
>> >
>> > -mauirixxx
>> > -sent via my United Admins fanboyism - even if it's seemingly no 
>> > longer relevant :/
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [email protected]
>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of HoundDawg
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:55 AM
>> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> > Subject: [hlds] Top Cheating Features Bypassing VAC? (was Voogru
>> > cheaterplugin)
>> >
>> > Sorry, it's been a number of years since I've been an active server

>> > admin.  So, after all of these years, the VAC isn't sufficient 
>> > enough still?  I'd think (or hoped) that if Valve was going to kill

>> > off projects like CDeath and HLGuard, they'd have a way better 
>> > solution in place by now.
>> >
>> > What are the top cheating features that are getting past VAC today 
>> > (I don't want cheat names, simply the styles... e.g. aimbot, 
>> > wallhack, etc..)?
>> >
>> > HoundDawg
>> >
>> >
>> > MjrNuT wrote:
>> > > Voogru,
>> > >
>> > > That makes alot of sense.  If you do seriously consider a 
>> > > stripped down version, I wouldn't mind contributing something for

>> > > your time, and maybe others wouldn't either.  Not saying I'm 
>> > > speaking for them...but us laymen know that time is money, or its
just fun.
>> > >
>> > > Feel free to contact me separately if you wish, like helping to 
>> > > prod you more, laymen or not, I'd be glad to as it couldn't hurt,
right?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for making this a _possibility_,
>> > >
>> > > [FLASH] MjrNuT
>> > > Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality
>> > >
>> > > www.flamesandash.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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