Indeed, if I wanted to I could create a massive cheat with SourceMod
and VAC wouldn't do much about it since its SourceMod that is doing it
since the plugins are simply byte code that SourceMod executes.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Donnie Newlove
<donnie.newl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Even if that is true that's not the whole truth. A big problem is that
> completely legitimate tools used on the server side and which works
> even on listen servers are also active in client mode. This turns
> admin mods like SourceMod into hacks. Should VAC ban users with a
> SourceMod install? The only way to solve this in a reasonable manner
> is to turn this feature off.
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:10 PM, HL-SDK Synths <syntron...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have the hotdogs, let's now find some sticks on which to roast them.
>>
>> Hi, I am the author of the post on G-D you linked to. I appreciate what you
>> have worked for, I truly do. It is unfortunate that more methods are not
>> available to you (it seems that simple by-name querying is as far as it
>> goes).
>>
>> As for bans, I'd like to clarify that using the plugin interface is no way
>> at all ban proof. If I decide to overwrite game code, I can expect a ban. If
>> this "proofen" status was the case, I would be acting like Hatter does on
>> Assault Cube:
>> http://forum.gamedeception.net/threads/19310-Assault-cube-Bo00om
>>
>> Headshotting the wntire team all at once without moving. Enough hyperbole.
>>
>> *My point: "VSP" IS EXACTLY LIKE LOADING VIA INJECTOR, IT IS NO SAFER.
>> *The only benefit is the interface which provides load and unload. I can do
>> all of that with an extra plugin emulating the VSP interface. You have done
>> a good job of blocking namestealers and people who abuse sourcemod, and for
>> that I am sure many servers are more playable.*
>> *
>> I have no analogies.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:49 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bad analogy?! Perfect analogy!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > If you say that to an alzheimer patient, you have to say it again, and
>>> > again, and again and they each time you say that, they forget it soon
>>> > after. Ok ok, bad analogy but they aren't really paying attention or it
>>> > would be fixed already, along with all the other exploits in the engine.
>>> >
>>> >
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