I understand what you are saying. But Monday at noon is not nearly the same as 9:30 PM on a Wednesday.
It would be like introducing a brand new cocktail menu in the middle of Happy Hour. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Formologic23" <[email protected]> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:40:28 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? While I agree that updates could be rolled out in "off hours", I think that would provide a bigger challenge. Since I used to run 2 successful retail computer stores, both of which offered IT and Internet services (not Kenny shoes like you claimed :) ), our company would do maintenance on a weekend (usually Sunday, say 5am when most people are still likely to be sleeping). That worked successfully in most cases. The reason updates may not be rolled out in off hours may be that if something does go wrong, you'll have servers down for longer periods of time and what might be off hours for me in the Puget Sound area, may not be off hours on the East Coast. When the MvM update rolled out, my server was full at the time. Then "poof", went offline. Now...I have not seen that yet from Valve, I felt that it was very odd. Most of the updates don't cause a server to go offline. But, I happen to be at home at the time as I live in the Puget Sound area, so luckily I was capable of running the update immediately. Now during this transition, my server was down for 90 minutes while trying to connect to the update servers. Frustrating....a little, but I dealt with it (not picking on anyone, just stating a fact). If they did the updates at 2am, or on a Sunday morning, I feel that would cause bigger issues. I agree that MOST companies who offer IT services, or Internet services, or anything else that affects thousands of customers, it is a standard practice. I think this situation is a little different. I've grown to expect a level of inconvenience from Valve, and I have a backup server that is completely default (no plugins, fancy scripts) that I turn on when something might break like SourceMod or what have you, but I might also be the minority. I don't rent, I own my server and can install, shutdown, and configure any amount of game servers I wish. One solution might be that if Valve decided to go the route of updating during "after hours", then they could specify a time. But again, gaming is a weird situation. No matter what time they do it, someone is affected at an inconvenient time of the day globally. I think we/they lose no matter what time they do it. Also, I'm not going to stay up until 2am to update my game servers, I have a job to do the next day (or same day however you look at it). -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Pettit Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:27 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? You can keep defending them. The simple fact was this was completely avoidable in first case. The fact other companies are even worse is also irrelevant. If updates were rolled out a 10am on a Monday 80,000 players would not of been affected. If you work in IT you do rollouts in off hours. You don't wait till just before everyone comes to work cross your fingers and flip the switch. The Christmas rollout introduced problems that continued into the weekend. The Pyromania rollout introduced problems that continued into the weekend. This MVM update introduced problems likely to continue into the weekend. Regular updates are most common on Thursdays making mistakes likely to continue into the weekends. This is not a fluke this is not even a trend at this point this is a practice of conducting business. While I may be the only one speaking up about this while a few of you guys with one server want to pile on me and praise Valve I guarantee more people think this whole ordeal is an established pattern and entirely avoidable. We are the cashiers for valve and if I am going to ring their cash register bells several hundred thousand times a year. I think reasonably level of professionalism is to be expected. If you worked and IT and crashed the email servers an hour before lunchtime the CEO isn't going to say oh well he is going to ask why didn't you do it at 2am then he is going to fire you cause there is no damn answer you could give that makes any sense. Those of us who run 10 or more servers only to be shutdown on the busiest days of the week on a fairly regular basis due to a obviously untested update get a little tired of making excuses for it. My community does not blame me either. They are well aware who is responsible. The update issues, the bug fixes that never come, item server disconnects, steam syncing issues and the complete lack of communication have been standard operating procedure for too long. But we have a store and hats, hats, hats, oh and hats. Move the updates up 2 days and start a Quality Assurance program and a hundred thousand gamers could blissfully be unaware any of this ever happened. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Olsen" <[email protected]> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:16:37 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? A dose of civility goes a long way. While I'm certainly not happy to be seeing the number/frequency of crashes on our servers (and I hope a few people at Valve are willing to give up their weekend to find a fix), I don't think hurling insults Valve's way is constructive in the least. Valve has a long history of learning from their mistakes (as any great company does), and I'm sure this will be no different....and the fact that they HAVE just released a new game mode for a 5 year old game that most of our players find incredibly fun and entertaining earns them alot of leeway in my book. I'm confident it will get fixed - the sooner the better of course - but I'm not prepared to hurl insults at a company that has done everything it can to keep a game we love moving forward year after year. Unless you guys have experienced the kind of support (or lack thereof) that server operators get from other companies (DICE/EA, Activision, etc. etc.) you have no idea how good we've got it. Give these guys a break. Keep feeding them crash reports/problems you find, and they'll fix it asap. If your communities are so fragile they can't handle a few days of server instability without your players heading for the exits, then I would submit that you have a bigger problem you may need to address. 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