There's also another solution that would pretty much completely fix every problem - allow an MOTD at initial connect, unload that MOTD, and then allow further MOTD windows to be opened up iff the player accepts it.
Seriously, approval-based server redirection has been in the game a while and it works well for the purpose. Why couldn't we do the same for MOTDs? On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well there are better ways of doing it. Like for example why did they make > it so the other MOTD windows open up invisible for quickplay players in the > first place? > It did nothing for ads but broke other legitimate plugins. What was the > point of that? Seriously. > > Why not just do it right and make it so you can only open a MOTD window > for quickplay players once and that's it? > No more after that, visible or invisible. > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Daniel Barreiro < > smelly.feet.you.h...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Wahh! I don't want these servers to hijack quickplay traffic to run ads! >> Valve do something! >> >> *update comes* >> >> Wahhh! Valve implemented a fix for the problem! I don't care I want my >> HTML mods back on quickplay clients! >> >> Seriously guys, you bitch for them to change it, and then bitch when they >> change it. Get over yourselves. If you run a good community, you should be >> able to pay via donations. If you don't get enough donations, just pay for >> it from your own pocket. If you care about your community as much as you >> guys act like you do, you should be glad to pay out of your own pocket. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Paul <ubyu....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I thought this recent update completely eliminated all HTML MOTD's from >>> Quickplay connecting clients, not just for when you connect but also during >>> the game (still only plain text but hidden anyway)? Am I wrong in that >>> assumption? >>> >>> >>> On 7 November 2013 16:26, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: >>> >>>> There has been servers before these adds came an "issue". This change >>>> was not aimed against any of us, but the people who set up servers to drain >>>> quickplay traffic do get advertisements showing. Correct me if i'm wrong >>>> but these advertisement abusers can still open window to the background and >>>> display adds there & refresh. >>>> >>>> So, Valve doesn't want to get in the middle and not give advantage to >>>> the people who do this, so they disable motd adds from quickplay users, >>>> leaving these plugins that open that crap to background in the game and >>>> driving off some people that run servers. >>>> >>>> So now only servers that do not participate in quickplay can benefit >>>> from advertisements on the motd and servers that participate in quickplay >>>> can benefit from that adds crap in background window. Who was the real >>>> winner here? No one. >>>> >>>> -ics >>>> >>>> Doctor McKay kirjoitti: >>>> >>>>> Nobody forces you to go on servers that have ads. I fail to understand >>>>> how the fact that some servers might use advertisements affects you >>>>> personally when you can easily ignore them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. McKay >>>>> www.doctormckay.com <http://www.doctormckay.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Saint K. <sai...@specialattack.net<mailto: >>>>> sai...@specialattack.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Anything they do to battle them ad’s gets my vote. For all I care >>>>> they disable the HTML functionality all together. >>>>> >>>>> Back to oldskool community building where one can only survive on >>>>> donations. Donations means your servers are appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Saint K. >>>>> >>>>> *From:*hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>> <mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> >>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>> <mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>] *On Behalf Of >>>>> *1nsane >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:38 PM >>>>> *To:* Paul Lewis; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD support >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There wasn't much point to running MvM servers before. Even less >>>>> so now it seems. >>>>> >>>>> Not like you can make a community around stock MvM. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Paul <ubyu....@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:ubyu....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I imagine many communities will close up on using TF2 >>>>> Quickplay, whether they will successfully move to a different >>>>> game or game mode is another question though. I'm switching >>>>> from having 23 Mann vs Machine servers to trying Slender >>>>> Fortress. If servers switch to being non-reliant on Quickplay >>>>> then in my view that's partly good, as Quickplay from day one >>>>> was a bad idea in my opinion. It doesn't promote or offer >>>>> options to join servers which are run in an unofficial way >>>>> (e.g. custom gamemodes or custom maps). In the days of Team >>>>> Fortress Classic players had to use the server browser, and >>>>> those days were better in my view. Custom run servers saw more >>>>> players back then than they typically do in TF2 these days. >>>>> >>>>> It's impossible to use the MOTD for even simple images and >>>>> links, so is practically impossible for a community to make >>>>> links to things such as donation pages to help them cover >>>>> costs of their servers. I'm expecting to see the number of >>>>> Quickplay servers drop by a reasonable amount, and possibly >>>>> more non-Quickplay servers to open (custom gamemodes and/or >>>>> custom maps). >>>>> >>>>> On 7 November 2013 11:00, Element <elem...@idle.tf >>>>> <mailto:elem...@idle.tf>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I run a group of servers which are funded from MOTD >>>>> impressions resulting in my small community of players >>>>> being able to play on servers setup the way they like, for >>>>> FREE. >>>>> >>>>> My servers are in the quickplay pool to help fill the >>>>> empty spaces for my community members, generating mostly >>>>> full servers consisting of around a 50-50 mix of members >>>>> and quickplay traffic. >>>>> >>>>> With my community impressions alone, server costs weren't >>>>> quite being met each month. But when i added them to the >>>>> quickplay pool, i was then able to use the advertising >>>>> revenue to fully pay for my servers. >>>>> >>>>> But now this is not the case, thanks to valves latest and >>>>> greatest idea.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will NOT pay for these servers out of my own pocket, nor >>>>> will i beg for money from my "free" community.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So thanks valve, you successfully killed my community, i >>>>> guess my members will move to some other community... the >>>>> Skial scum maybe? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>>>> list archives, please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>> hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -- thesupremecommander (Steam<http://steamcommunity.com/id/thesupremecommander> )
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