Comparing cars to games is sort of not so good example. Yeah, the current model has its good and bads. The fact that you can fix bugs has become a habit on games industry where they release their games as a state of "work in progress". Hell TF2 was as such too! 6 maps only in the initial release but its also good that they can actually add more content afterwards.
I'm as much annoyed as any of you or anyone else are since the update caused a lot of damage to everyone who has something extra on their servers. It sucks but my main point was that we have no say in the matters unless Valve opens their ears and/or asks our help. Everyone who has been long time on this list knows that if there is a reply about something from them (if at all), its few lines short or its due to some new game getting released. After that, the ears are pretty much closed. Usually when we have a problem, like the VAC-related 5 min repeated glitch (which still isnt fixed, every cs source server gets that 1-2 second lag after every 5 mins) or the exploit cvars that devicenull posted here (most of them still work and servers are being lagged out with them). You see, we are in a sailboat that can fill up water but just untill its about to sink, someone comes up with Steamboat, gives us a bucket so we can get that water out for a while and then leaves. What Valve needs is a link between community and theirselves but the initiative has to come from them. So my point was, don't expect that there is a change of heart anytime soon. We are pretty much on our own. -ics Oliver Salzburg kirjoitti: > That's nice that you put up your server for other to have fun. > But as you noted yourself, for some games there are sometimes > actually no servers to play on. > So there are actually people who run a server so they can play > the game they paid money for. > > So you buy a game, you can't play it, you pay additionally for > your server, Valve releases an update that breaks your server, ... > > I guess you see where I'm going with this. > > And I kinda don't understand your point that it's somehow > THEIR game and that they can do whatever they want with it. > I think gaming is the only industry where they can change a > product AFTER you bought it. And you can't do anything about it. > > That's like if you bought a new car, and 2 months later the salesman > comes by your house and tells you: > "Sorry Sir, we have to cut your tank in half and increase your gas > milage to double what you're used to. It just wasn't fair to all > the other drivers on the road." > > I rest my case. > > ics wrote: > >> Yeah, you paid for the game. Thats like 10-30 bucks, depending when you >> bought it or if it came with Orangebox, even more. However, they did the >> game and can do whatever they want with it. As long as we run the >> servers, they dont have to do it. Things would be propablty like in L4D >> where Valve had to run servers because it was unlikely that the game >> would collect a mass of servers like TF2 or CS Source did.And it did >> not. There were times when it was impossible to find a server to play on. >> >> I also know what its like to pay for a gameserver, set it up, keep it >> running at all times and how much time it really takes to keep it up and >> playable with new maps and stuff but thats our choice. It's not like we >> are required to run any servers for this game. I dont know about the >> rest but i do it for fun and because there isn't many people at this >> country who will do it anyways. 1-2 people can make many hundred players >> happy by running a local server for them where to play on. This is where >> i get my own satisfaction and has been as such for over 4 years. Not >> just only for TF2 though. >> >> Valve might buy some of the community maps and they might just set up >> few hundred servers up theirselves but they never will pay us to run a >> server. That dream of yours is never going to do the "deja vu". >> >> -ics >> >> Andy kirjoitti: >> >> >>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:40:46 +0300, "ics" <[email protected]> said: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I don't think Valve sees any of these plugins and mods trivial enough to >>>> give out the updates in advance or any information about them. Servers >>>> run "fine" without them too. If you would be paying customer, things >>>> would be different. >>>> >>>> -ics >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> The last time I checked, we all paid for the game. Also, I don't know >>> about the rest of you, but I am paying out of pocket for the hardware >>> and hosting for my servers. Valve should be paying us. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
