Iirc valve has, very VERY occasionally, let metamod folk know in advance of changes... (feel free to contradict me, I can only remember it happening once and it only stuck in my mind because it was unusual) However I think they were playing this update very close to their chest... If it had just been an engine change, and not a content and balance change, it might have been different.
> -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Zuko > Sent: 14 August 2009 11:15 > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team > Fortress 2/Day ofDefeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX) > > imo public servers without SM sux... (no class limits, ping > kicker, good afk > menager, and many more) > > 2009/8/14 ics <[email protected]> > > > I don't think Valve sees any of these plugins and mods > trivial enough to > > give out the updates in advance or any information about > them. Servers > > run "fine" without them too. If you would be paying customer, things > > would be different. > > > > -ics > > > > Stefan Popp kirjoitti: > > > Full ACK Richard! > > > > > > We, from Mani Admin Plugin sitting around since over 12 > hours know, to > > > get the plugin back working. > > > At least its just a hobby, but we got a big community > which sitting > > > around and waiting for a fix from us. > > > I got no problems with updates by Valve, but the should care about > > > people likes us. Where is the problem, > > > to make a notice about upcoming changes for the SDK or > anythin else? > > > > > > Maybe, its not your time that get lost, I understand > this, but why did > > > Valve dont care about such active supporters > > > like the SourceMod, MetaMod or Mani Team and each others > who contribute > > > to the community? > > > > > > > > > - Stefan Popp / Mani Admin Plugin Developer Team > > > > > > Richard Eid schrieb: > > > > > >> The Counter-Strike beta was public. The TF2 beta was > not. But there > > was/is > > >> a TF2 beta. I don't know if that's ended with the > release of this > > update or > > >> not. > > >> > > >> No matter, I don't think I speak only for myself when I > say that I > > >> appreciate the work that everyone does to ensure a fun gaming > > environment, > > >> but the point I was trying to make is that this is a > given that things > > >> break. People work hard to fix what is broken and everyone lives > > happily > > >> ever after. Or until the next update. Whichever comes first. > > >> > > >> -Richard Eid > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:10 AM, David Anderson > <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> Who is "we all?" I wasn't aware of any public beta that > we could have > > >>> tested. > > >>> > > >>> If there was such a thing, I will eat my hat with only > two condiments. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> -- > > >>> David Anderson > > >>> http://www.bailopan.net/ > > >>> > > >>> On 8/14/09 12:04 AM, Richard Eid wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> We've all known about the TF2 beta for a couple of > weeks now. And for > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> the > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> past few days, we knew the update was imminent. Going > forward, we > > knew > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> that > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> there were going to be some pretty huge changes to the > game. Small > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> updates > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> break a lot of things, large updates break even more. > > >>>> > > >>>> Remember the Counter-Strike 1.6 beta that went on for > a month or so, > > then > > >>>> when it went live AMXModX, which also runs on many, many > > Counter-Strike > > >>>> servers, broke? And with that update, the beta was > 100% public(for a > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> month) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> and AMXModX *still* wasn't ready. > > >>>> > > >>>> With any update, we can expect a number of things to > break, even the > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> tools > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> that most would probably consider essential. This is > a fact of life. > > I > > >>>> hope some day we can all finally accept that. > > >>>> > > >>>> Also, > > >>>> > > >>>> https://bugs.alliedmods.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3948 > > >>>> > > >>>> > -Richard Eid > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:07 PM, blissend<[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Did they hire someone's nephew whom is an ogrish of > man so they're > > too > > >>>>> afraid to fire... he just so happens to be responsible for > > >>>>> testing/releases?... No offense. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Bruce Potter<[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> FYI, I just reran the updatetool (CentOS) and got a TON more > > content. > > >>>>>> With SM disabled I was able to get my servers > started with no core > > >>>>>> dumps. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> bruce > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Keeper wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Valve has always said they are not responsible for > keeping us in > > the > > >>>>>>> loop. > > >>>>>>> We have nicely asked for an update so we can get some things > > >>>>>>> reliably fixed > > >>>>>>> :) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Keeper > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: DontWannaName! [mailto:[email protected]] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:55 PM > > >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - > Team Fortress > > 2/Day > > >>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>> Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> They did test the update on servers, they just > didnt test SM with > > it > > >>>>>>> or warn > > >>>>>>> the development team that there would need to be > major changes. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>>>>> archives, please visit: > > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>>> please visit: > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> please visit: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > -- > Zuko > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
