Hello Saul. I believe you are in error. The reason the clients choke, is because the CLIENT RATE of 25k is _not enough_ to accommodate all the delta- and full worldstate- packets sent from the server in "intense situations". You can stand in spawn on most servers and be perfectly fine, but as soon as you start to move into areas with action going on (verify this with netgraph 3 or 4), you will notice the client getting chocked. This is everything from a chokevalue of 10 up to 100, which obviously is not good.
Now, if you read my post carefully, you'll notice that when _I_ did it, I made the sv_minrate _FOLLOW_ the sv_maxrate, hence FORCING the clients above the default 25k value and also keeping the "highraters" to the same rate. This gave MUCH better performance on a 20 and 24 player server. As for 32 player servers, I would believe the amount of bandwidth would be quite hefty to make it "acceptable", but oh well. My suggestion for REAL WORLD implementation was to NOT do it in this manner, but keep sv_minrate and sv_maxrate apart -- and let the clients who actually can DEAL with the increased number of packets, do so, while also making sure the "casuals" who could not care less about how "things work", would get a "fair" performance as well. 60-75k is about what a client on a 512kbit connection can handle without getting loss/choke due to get too many packets (mind you, the sv_minrate above 25k is to ensure the client gets ENOUGH packets, since the default is not enough). Go ahead, try it. Go on a well configured server, run around with 25k rate and notice the choke. Set your rate above 50k and notice how the choke dissipates, models move smoother, rockets are not fired "behind doors" and other totally whack stuff -- magic! I think that about covers it? This has been up on this list about 2 years ago, I would recommend a search in the archives if you want to know more in-depth details. -TheG On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Saul Rennison <[email protected]>wrote: > How can a high maxrate value choke clients? :/ if they're choking they > just need to reduce their rate! > > On Thursday, 24 February 2011, Björn Rohlén <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello. > > > > Having fiddled with this particular issue since the beta-days, sv_maxrate > > 50000 is sufficient for a 20 player server, unless you want to experience > > choke and weirdness on the clients. I would presume 24 and even 32 player > > servers would require even more. > > > > I'd watch out for going over 80k though, unless you want to choke players > > with bad internet-connections like 512kbit downstream to death. We > actually > > tested this as well, since we had a 512kbit-player (hi snowie) and 75k > was > > the value we settled on. > > > > This, of course, is because you make sv_minrate follow sv_maxrate as to > > avoid having the default rate of the client (25k) being set. > > > > If you are cheap, you could set minrate to 30k and maxrate to 60k and > watch > > the awe of the server population when they suddenly notice a DRASTIC > > improvement in performance on your server. > > > > To put them into awe but still keep within acceptable limits, sv_minrate > > 45000 and sv_maxrate 75000 would probably do the trick. > > > > -TheG > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Vathral <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Well, I'd like to work on an issue that members says they've been > having. > >> There have been complaints of lag and such that I'd like to look into. > What > >> are the default rates to work off? If possible I'd like to see what > other > >> admins out there are running as I do not fully understand how to tweak > >> settings like fps, sv_maxrate, maxupdaterate, etc. > >> > >> Running a Xeon 3230 with 4gb of ram, CentOS5, 100 Mbps link. Running > >> Sourcemod/MM with as few plugins as possible. No services like apache, > >> mysql, logging disabled where possible. > >> > >> This is what I have so far on one server > >> > >> fps_max 300 // Frame rate limiter > >> > >> sv_maxreplay 2 > >> > >> sv_minrate 10000 // Min bandwidth rate allowed on server, 0 > == > >> unlimited > >> sv_maxrate 25000 // Max bandwidth rate allowed on server, 0 > == > >> unlimited > >> > >> sv_mincmdrate 33 > >> sv_maxcmdrate 66 > >> > >> sv_minupdaterate 33 // Minimum updates per second that the > server > >> will allow > >> sv_maxupdaterate 66 // Maximum updates per second that the > server > >> will allow > >> > >> Any suggestions? Yes theres Google but I trust what I've read on here > such > >> as with the whole FPS issue. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > -- > > Thanks, > - Saul. > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
