I agree in a sense but hey it is what it is... but I'm one for requiring
proof before I take action on my servers - human or not, evidence speaks a
thousand words.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Drogen Viech
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:40 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cheat Engine & Report

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat#False-positive_detections
We're humans, prone to error after all - vac is made by humans.
Nothing else to say really.

2011/12/24 Frank <[email protected]>:
> I said cheating..not false positives - prove otherwise is all I can tell
ya.
> I have zero tolerance just as much as Valve does.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Drogen 
> Viech
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:12 AM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cheat Engine & Report
>
> Um, what about false positives? Bullshit like XFire for example.
>
> 2011/12/24 Frank <[email protected]>:
>> I 100% disagree...  Don't cheat and don't get banned. You saying this 
>> just says "Ohh well let's just slap em on the wrist for cheating - 
>> maybe they will learn"
>> Nope sorry ...do not pass go - you cheat EVERYTHING you purchased 
>> with that hard earned cash is gone and you shouldn't get it back. Now 
>> you can come back later and make a new account, repurchase the games 
>> and maybe then that will make you think twice about violating TOS.
>>
>> Says it clear as day on the VAC Wiki....
>>
>> Valve has "a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC 
>> bans under any circumstances
>>
>> So..don't cheat don't lose your hard earned cashed paid games.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
>> Steven Linn
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:11 AM
>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cheat Engine & Report
>>
>> I don't think it's fair for Valve to ban people from all Valve games 
>> forever, because not only does it nullify all the hard earned cash 
>> they used to buy the games, but it makes Valve look like a bunch of 
>> whiney little girls.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I am not VAC'd and I have never been VAC'd.
>>
>> I just think a 3month ban would suffice, with repeat offense being 
>> the only thing that gets you banned permanently.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:52 AM, bp <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 13:53, dan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > But, look on the bright side, if  a cheater is so obvious 20 of 
>>> > you could tell, it shouldn't really be a problem. Just ban them 
>>> > from your
>> server.
>>>
>>> You'll understand, though, if that's not enough to ban an account 
>>> from all servers for all Valve games forever (and then some) with no 
>>> real chance of appeal.
>>>
>>> Think Reddit.
>>>
>>> --bp
>>>
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