Hi Owen,

Haha, thanks for calling me an expert - although I'm really far from
that :D

You're right yeah, of course a project like this needs contributors
too, not only users.
I for myself am currently not the best at understanding hobo
internals, since I did a lot of work in the past months not related
to hobo, rails or even ruby (unfortunately).
I'm trying to catch up though - struggling with time management I'm
somewhere between understanding hobo, getting better in ruby meta
programming, following rails and writing my own apps and sites.

Hopefully I can help more in the next months, since most of my other
work is done now.

What I really like is that some (I think thats actually you Owen?)
use Hobo on a win32 platform and can help people doing the same,
thats pretty cool, and a widespread community is very important.

In my experience (in #rubyonrails for example) the hardest part of
bringing-people-to-hobo is to convince them that it is not some sort
of inflexible scaffolding like other projects...

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 05:41:12AM -0800, Owen wrote:
> 
> But we won't be successful unless we can eventually get experts like
> you, Sol, to be contributors and build a critical mass.  I am an
> architect and designer, not a day-to-day coder.  We are starting to
> build expertise in our team (e.g., Tola and Edmund), but you guys are
> still the key.
> 
> I have had over 25 years experience as an entrepeneur building mission-
> critical applications with small teams, beating out the Big Guys many
> times using the right tools and having the right teams.  So I think I
> have a good gut feel for the potential here.
> 
> We are very excited we can help in our small way.  Many of the recent
> Hobo enhancements were critical to success on the first phase of a
> large project for the US Department of Agriculture. (See the tutorial
> http://cookbook.hobocentral.net/recipes/11-replicate-the-look-and-feel-of)
> 
> There are many, many modules to this application, so It won't go into
> production for several months.  But we will keep feeding back into
> Hobo generic enhancements as we go. For example, the recent
> enhancements to LifeCycles and Permissions..
> 
> We hope that you all will do the same and contribute as you can.  With
> the global recession, it is even more important to be able to build
> apps quickly and to be able to turn on a dime...
> 
> -Owen
> 
> n Dec 14, 8:18 am, sol <[email protected]> wrote:
> > very cool to hear that Barquin has such remarkable long term goals! :)
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2:02 pm, Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Glad you got it.  I have frequently had a problem with rubygems.org,
> > > but it usually comes back soon.
> >
> > > Our goal for Barquin's support and input to Hobo is to make it so you
> > > DON'T have to be a rails expert to use Hobo.
> >
> > > We look at Hobo as much more than a "Plugin".  Hope you all do too.
> > > Unfortunately, the Holy Grail is still down the line a bit...
> >
> > > Owen
> >
> > > On Dec 14, 5:46 am, Eric-news <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > On 13 dec, 23:00, Eric-news <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > --> ruby script/generate hobo --add-gem --add-routes
> > > > > Rails requires RubyGems >= 1.3.1 (you have 1.2.0). Please `gem update
> > > > > --system` and try again.
> >
> > > > > ~]# gem update --system
> > > > > Updating RubyGems
> > > > > Nothing to update
> >
> > > > This one was easily solved by running 'update_rubygems' as root. Now
> > > > the hobo-command runs smoothly.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Eric
> 

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