joel jaeggli wrote:
On 2/21/13 7:04 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
So, I think what we can observe from the number of readily discoverable security cameras on the internet. was that the real-live requirement was at least partially solved thanks to upnp and dynamic dns registration, is not a geek-only-oddity, survives renumbering, and was for the most part done quite badly. hopefully it can be done better in the future.

I was under the impression that upnp is exactly what we should not be aspiring 
to,
but that we'll get by default (like natv6) if nothing useful happens in ietf.

Mike
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