Hi,

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 06:45:29PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:

> We have ways to talk to ICANN both formally and informally.

Yes.

> I suggest we talk to them.

That's ok with me, but the key thing we need to admit is that if we
want to create a special-use domain name that is actually intended for
use with the DNS and has to work with the root zone, then we need to
subject ourselves to the names community IANA procedures and not the
protocol parameters community IANA procedures.  That means that we're
in ICANN's turf and we have to respect and follow their rules.  Most
importantly,

> what I would do.  The special names process delegates the name
> space to us.

the special names process doesn't do that or, if it does, it has no
authority to do it.  RFC 2860 definitely says we can create special
names for technical use.  I believe that 2860, section 4.3 (a) allows
us to create such names at the root zone (though I note that not
everyone agrees with me about that).  What it does _not_ do, as nearly
as I can tell, is permit us to create delegations from the root zone
(even if they're functionally not very interesting or just delegated
to the root servers themselves).  We do not have that authority, and
given that the IANA stewardship change just happened it seems to me we
should be alert to the boundaries we have just reinforced.

Best regards,

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
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